with bull barrel. 6 lb rifle, 3/4 lb can, 10" barrel, 9" of can. it offers so MUCH more potential, for both foraging and fighting, that it makes the .22 rifle look completely sick. The .22 unit can handle foraging just fine, and can also quietly remove a "problem" man or two. The 223 extends your effective range on men to 1/4 mile, and can effectively take deer to well over 100m, given good sp handloads and ribcage shots. It can also brain really big animals to that distance, given a braced firing position. No other longarm is even remotely as versatile as is the scoped, canned CAR-15 and .22 unit combo.