[andy]

or at least, WANTING to. check out what he said on the subsonic .22 thread, about wanting my PO's name and phone number. Told you guys he's a wannabe Hitler.

 

[Clint Boyer]

No, it's more like I want to be a comic book hero and rid the world of cartoon idiots!

 

[Stillwater]

I know the TARDS parole officers name, and phone number -- don't I, TARD?

I even know your complete name, John Melvin Davis, and your phone number. Don't I TARD?

I know you were incarcerated for thirteen and one half years, don't I TARD?

Are convicted felons legally allowed to own, or handle firearms, TARD? I don't think so, TARD.

I know the town, in Colorado, you live in. Don't I Tard?

I know where you work, (well, where you put in your time) don't I TARD?

I even saw you come out of the building, didn't I TARD.

Aren't the fords FINANCIAL GROUP in the title of the business?

I even stood behind you at a checkout counter, didn't I TARD?

Are you still living off of your wifes earnings, TARD?

I have a copy your Bureau of Prisons record. Don't I Tard?

Do a search using Federal Bureau of Prisons, and then key in John Melvin Davis. It pops right up! Isn't that right TARD?

I even know the street address of where you live, both addresses, don't I TARD?

I have a photographic copy of your Social Security number, and your drivers license, don't I Tard?

Why don't you stop being such a jerk-off and try posting as a decent human being would. If you do that I will stop beating you over the head.

But, I will not stop contacting your parole officer. It is a simple fact, You need to be returned to prison. You haven't learned your lesson ... TARD!
Bill

 

[Guest]

It sounds like somebody has got your number Gunkid. Why don't you come back home where you can torment your "friends?" instead of these nice people?

SAV

 

[Guest]

Denver..

Please tell me he is noware near Denver please. I dont want that anyware near my little girls.

 

[Stillwater]

Pagosa Springs, Colorado, until he is scooped up again, and returned to prison.

Bill

 

[denman3266]

Thanks, I decided to register after a few days looking about and something about the guy just gives me the creeps. I hear about him all over the web and its the same everyplace I go. This is just the 1st time that I have seen the full GunKid effect.

 

[Stillwater]

Thanks, I decided to register after a few days looking about and something about the guy just gives me the creeps. I hear about him all over the web and its the same everyplace I go. This is just the 1st time that I have seen the full GunKid effect.

A hearty welcome to you, I hope you like it here. This is one of the really good forums to hang out on.

The management should crack down on John Melvin Davis, aka gunkid, 223 fan, andy and assorted other screen names, a little more. He is getting away with things that would have him banned on any other website.

However, I think the management wants to show post count. The management should be concerned about post count, but, they should also be more concerned about post content, than count.

What management needs to do, if they are concerned about post count, is to get out, and start leading the discussions, starting threads themselves. They need to act as leaders, if they want their forums to be a success. Right guys?

Bill

 

[Rich Z]

I got concerned about content back when I first started up this site. Had some yokels posting BS so I shut the gates to unregistered posting and blocked them out cold. Well, the site DIED like it had hit a brick wall head on, although I had a core group of what I hoped would be regulars here. Just couldn't seem to reach critical mass and the core group just faded away. Even now, most are not back, and maybe never will. Actually things got so bad that I seriously considered shutting it down completely and using the vBulletin license for another site I was thinking about starting up. But I decided to let it just run on neutral for a while and see what happened.

So Andy/223 fan showed up. Yeah, he's rather abrasive, and I wish he were different, but to be honest, I do read what he says, and although I don't agree with all of it, I do agree with some of it. I do believe he has a core base of knowlege he is drawing on, but yes, the delivery does need to have the rough edges removed. Right or wrong, he is attempting to get this site rolling, and I am not about to look a gift horse in the mouth. Should I ban him for threats, both overt and implied? Why yes, I should, and the administrator blood in me wants to do that, but I'm not going to.

This time around, I am not being so hasty. Yeah, maybe things will get dicey and the BS more than hip deep, but I'm staying my hand and just watching to see what happens. After all, it can't be much worse than the first time around when I saw the blood of this site just spilling into the sand and nothing I could do to save it. I was pumping pay per clicks through the nose for this site and it just wasn't helping at all. So will this be better than being a dead site? Beats me, but there's only one way to find out.

So yeah, I know people aren't going to like some of the things said, and feathers are going to be ruffled, but that's just going to have to be the way it is. Freedom is like that I guess, when I think about it. The real cost of freedom is having to put up with other people doing things you don't particularly like. So grin and bear it, gentlemen (and ladies), just like I am going to do. I'm hoping in the long run it will prove to be worthwhile.

As far as me taking the lead and starting conversations, heck I tried that for a while, but got tired of just talking to myself. And I'll be the first to admit that I am no expert. Been collecting and shooting since the late 70s but I am not going to try to blow smoke and make you think I am something that I am not. Honestly, I know I am just too busy to be able to practice enough to be more than just a passable shot, but it doesn't bother me that I am just average. Heck, I just like to talk, listen, and learn about guns, and decided why not just make my own site where I can make it what I want? If you all want changes in this site, well just let me know. I don't have any axes to grind and I like to play around with programming, so I'm willing to see what I can do to make this site what YOU want it to be as well.

I have my own opinions on things, but I am willing to listen to what someone has to say with the notion in mind that I just may be wrong. No harm in that if you understand that being wrong is just an opportunity to learn something new and not an attack on your manhood. NO ONE is always right about everything. Anyone who even comes close to believing that has just lost the ability to learn and doesn't know it.

So help me out here. Cut down the name calling, whether or not the person you are calling names deserves it or not. It really doesn't help matters and only adds fuel to the fire. Read any conversation where one side cusses and raises verbal abuse to new levels, and the other side is calm and rational. The calm rational guy can be wrong as all hell, but you will normally find yourself siding with him anyway just because the other side just grates against your nerves. Listening to an asshole who is right is much more difficult to do than listening to a gentleman who is wrong. So in here, be an example of what you want to see in other people.

 

[Magnum88C]

Rich, funny thing is, he does have SOME knowledge, sometimes he's right. If he would stop the threats, encouragement of illegal and flat out dangerous shiot, and post like a human being, he wouldn't be taking shiot from the entire internet community, and could even make friends and trade good info. But he never has wanted that, he's even got his own forum on another board (an aimoo) where the admin bans anyone who disagrees with him. Guess what? The site is dead, even GK doesn't post there. Why? He doesn't want to have anyone agree with him, he just wants to be a sh-it, it's all he knows, and all he's good at. I guess all those years of being a "catcher" in prison made him want to abuse others on the 'net like he wishes he could in real life.

 

[KJUN]

A hearty welcome to you, I hope you like it here. This is one of the really good forums to hang out on.

The management should crack down on John Melvin Davis, aka gunkid, 223 fan, andy and assorted other screen names, a little more. He is getting away with things that would have him banned on any other website.

However, I think the management wants to show post count. The management should be concerned about post count, but, they should also be more concerned about post content, than count.

What management needs to do, if they are concerned about post count, is to get out, and start leading the discussions, starting threads themselves. They need to act as leaders, if they want their forums to be a success. Right guys?

Bill

I hate to admit it, but I agree with you a little bit on this topic. For example, I have NOT started some threads that I WOULD like to see discussed because I know "andy" will just turn theminto another "you can't kill people with that, stupe!" type thread. It isn't worth trying to start a decent thread when I KNOW they'll just be degenerated into the same old type thread.

I would bet a lot of other users are scared off of making good posts for the same reason, too. Still, it is Rich's site, his choice, and I respect him for having this board up knowing how much time it takes for him (or at least guessing, anyway) considering it is just a "hobby" board.

KJ

 

[Stillwater]

I got concerned about content back when I first started up this site. Had some yokels posting BS so I shut the gates to unregistered posting and blocked them out cold. Well, the site DIED like it had hit a brick wall head on, although I had a core group of what I hoped would be regulars here. Just couldn't seem to reach critical mass and the core group just faded away. Even now, most are not back, and maybe never will. Actually things got so bad that I seriously considered shutting it down completely and using the vBulletin license for another site I was thinking about starting up. But I decided to let it just run on neutral for a while and see what happened.

So Andy/223 fan showed up. Yeah, he's rather abrasive, and I wish he were different, but to be honest, I do read what he says, and although I don't agree with all of it, I do agree with some of it. I do believe he has a core base of knowlege he is drawing on, but yes, the delivery does need to have the rough edges removed. Right or wrong, he is attempting to get this site rolling, and I am not about to look a gift horse in the mouth. Should I ban him for threats, both overt and implied? Why yes, I should, and the administrator blood in me wants to do that, but I'm not going to.

Questions:

1. What core base of knowledge? Davis has none. Davis is a known criminal, advocating criminal acts. Does the word accessory give you pause?

2. How is John Melvin Davis, helpfully, trying to get this site rolling? Curious people want to know!

John Melvin Davis, exconvict, is not trying to get this site rolling. Davis is on an sociopathic ego trip. Would you like me to post the definition of a sociopath, for you?

If you do not want to ban him, edit the CRAP out of his posts. Or, it will look like you are selfishly using him, for your own purposes, and to hell with decent folk.

This time around, I am not being so hasty. Yeah, maybe things will get dicey and the BS more than hip deep, but I'm staying my hand and just watching to see what happens. After all, it can't be much worse than the first time around when I saw the blood of this site just spilling into the sand and nothing I could do to save it. I was pumping pay per clicks through the nose for this site and it just wasn't helping at all. So will this be better than being a dead site? Beats me, but there's only one way to find out.

If you do not want to personally moderate Davis's posts, find a person who will fairly edit out Davis's crap, but leave the main content intact. There is a good way to do this, which I have used with much success, before. This can be done without overly excessive moderation.

There is a also another way to successfully do this without editing John Melvin Davis's, abrasive posting. A way to do it that will satisfy everybody, even me! Well, Davis may pout a little, but his posts will be intact.

So yeah, I know people aren't going to like some of the things said, and feathers are going to be ruffled, but that's just going to have to be the way it is. Freedom is like that I guess, when I think about it. The real cost of freedom is having to put up with other people doing things you don't particularly like. So grin and bear it, gentlemen (and ladies), just like I am going to do. I'm hoping in the long run it will prove to be worthwhile.

Freedom? That is not freedom -- it is capitulation to a criminal sociopath!

As far as me taking the lead and starting conversations, heck I tried that for a while, but got tired of just talking to myself. And I'll be the first to admit that I am no expert. Been collecting and shooting since the late 70s but I am not going to try to blow smoke and make you think I am something that I am not. Honestly, I know I am just too busy to be able to practice enough to be more than just a passable shot, but it doesn't bother me that I am just average. Heck, I just like to talk, listen, and learn about guns, and decided why not just make my own site where I can make it what I want? If you all want changes in this site, well just let me know. I don't have any axes to grind and I like to play around with programming, so I'm willing to see what I can do to make this site what YOU want it to be as well.

Rich, I think you are trying to be a decent guy about the whole Johm Melvin Davis thing. The problem with decent people is, that they get kicked in the teeth a lot. That shouldn't happen here.

I have my own opinions on things, but I am willing to listen to what someone has to say with the notion in mind that I just may be wrong. No harm in that if you understand that being wrong is just an opportunity to learn something new and not an attack on your manhood. NO ONE is always right about everything. Anyone who even comes close to believing that has just lost the ability to learn and doesn't know it.

No one has said they are always right. They have said that John Melvin Davis's attitude, and the way he expresses himself, is wrong all of the time.

So help me out here. Cut down the name calling, whether or not the person you are calling names deserves it or not.

I would love to help you out, however, from reading how you want things to be, the posters, except for John Melvin Davis, will be doing all of the helping, and Davis will be free and unfettered to do his habitually excremental posting.

I don't think you will get much help, until you curb Davis.

I have helped you by not calling him the TARD. I may start it again, because John Melvin Davis, is a criminal RETARD. Would you like me to prove he is, in fact, a criminal.

It really doesn't help matters and only adds fuel to the fire. Read any conversation where one side cusses and raises verbal abuse to new levels, and the other side is calm and rational. The calm rational guy can be wrong as all hell, but you will normally find yourself siding with him anyway just because the other side just grates against your nerves. Listening to an asshole who is right is much more difficult to do than listening to a gentleman who is wrong. So in here, be an example of what you want to see in other people.

Well, that would be the politically correct way of handling the problem, wouldn't it?

The majority of the American people are fighters. We are known as a Nation of fighters. Sooo, John Melvin Davis gets fought. We refuse to tuck our tail in and be beaten upon by a social malcontent.[/quote]

I will very calmly, and rationally, flagellate John Melvin Davis, over the head, everytime I think it is necessary. For the GOOD of his SOUL of course!

As I said above there is a simple, and easy way, to handle not just John Melvin Davis's offensive posts, and conduct, but all offensive posting and conduct.

Bill

 

[Teufelhund]

Boils down to the free exchange of ideas IMO

This board was on it's way out when JD started in on it, as Rich has stated.

Then JD started tugging his strings and bingo he has his whole crew here, with at least some of them bemoaning the fact he left Patriot Network.

You followed him Stillwater, he didn't follow you.

Whats going on at PN now?

Not very much is there? You all could very well be there making the same post you are here, but nope.

This whole situation strikes me funny as hell, I find it rather entertaining. The whole Patriot Network circle jerk isn't much fun without your favorite pivot man.

Folks might just have to go back to posting relavent topics for a change.

Teuf,

 

[KJUN]

...but what good is a board where the only posts are concerning criminal/dangerous posts and a rebuttal to them? I don't blame people for fearing someone like him from owning guns, especially if they already don't understand what the second amendment is about. A bunch of "scarey" posts MAY be worse to ALL of us than another dead board system.

Rich, you make a good point concerning freedom, but it is still not completely on the mark. Let's pretend you banned him (you're right since YOU are free, too), he can still post this stuff on HIS OWN SITE. His freedom isn't reduced. Banning him for promooting illegal behavior (which might protect your butt if he DOES try some of these acts in the future???) is NOT the same as banning him for disagreeing with you. I don't think ANYONE wants him banned for THINKING differently.

KJ

 

[Stillwater]

Re: Boils down to the free exchange of ideas IMO

You followed him Stillwater, he didn't follow you.

Teuf,

So? What is that supposed to mean?

The last time I checked, this is a free country, where a citizen, in good standing, can go where they want to. Or, is that something you don't like?

Do I have an agenda against John Melvin Davis? You damned right I do. John Melvin Davis is a know criminal. I think the criminal element, acquiring guns, is an abhorrent fact of defiance to the the law, and to society at large.

John Melvin Davis threatened me with death. If a person threatens me, for the rest of their life, they should know that I will work to send them to prison.

A citizen has a right to see a criminal back in prison for their anti-social activities. I will do, what I want to do, against criminals, whether a person likes, or dislikes it. Fair enough?

Or, are you soft on major criminals, and their activities?

Bill

 

[Teufelhund]

Point taken KAJUN

It boils down to the interpetation of what you believe your firearms are for.

No one is keeping you from starting a post on your favorite gauge for grouse guns.

Framing discussions with the intent of appeasing anti-gunners is a loosing proposition. They will only be happy when you post nothing.

The free exchange of ideas is a messy proposition and will no doubt be very "scarey" to some.

So be it.

Teuf,

 

[Teufelhund]

Your right Stillwater

Folks can go where they want too and apparently you wanted to follow behind JD LOL.

Does that make him your leader?

The rest of your post follows under the catagory of "suit yourself".

Something to ponder though, I bet it won't be too awfull long before you are registering or turning in those 10/22 target rifles or enjoying JD's current legal status.

Teuf,

 

[Stillwater]

Re: Your right Stillwater

Folks can go where they want too and apparently you wanted to follow behind JD LOL.

Does that make him your leader?

A facetious question, also known as a snide remark, which I will overlook.

The rest of your post follows under the catagory of "suit yourself."

Yes, it does fall under the category of "suit myself." John Melvin Davis should have consulted people who know me, before he threatened me. If he had, he might have considered doing otherwise. I'm like my rowdy old pit bull dog, once motivated, I never give up.

Something to ponder though, I bet it won't be too awfull long before you are registering or turning in those 10/22 target rifles or enjoying JD's current legal status.

Teuf,

You're alluding to John Melvin Davis's status as a ex-convict when you said I will be enjoying his same legal status. That could be a fact for both you, and me. But it won't because I have committed gross criminal acts, like John Melvin Davis has.

Registering our other guns, prior to a government confiscation is, since 1934, always a possibility. IF, and WHEN it comes to firearms confiscation, like it was in Australia, many people, including you will have to make some hard decisions.

I haven't been in prison, I have never been arrested. I may have to face that fact, when it comes to firearm confiscation. The fact that I may be imprisoned, will only be over not allowing my firearms to be confiscated, NOT THE MALODOROUS CRIMINAL ACTS OF JOHN MELVIN DAVIS.

What will you, and any other person reading this do, if the government were to attempt a confiscation our firearms? Roll over and pee on yourself like a frightened puppy? Or would you boldly oppose this obstreperous act, and fight for your freedom? As for me-- I choose freedom!

My firearms are emblematic, of my freedoms as an American citizen. I will not give up my firearms, I will not let them be confiscated -- SO HELP ME GOD!

Bill

 

[Magnum88C]

I don't think ANYONE wants him banned for THINKING differently.

KJ

I don't even really want him banned. I want him to act like a human. I don't give a shiot if he types about wanting an 11" AR until his fingers fall off. That's his right, and it's mine to disagree with it. But he DOES NOT have to threaten people, encourage people to break the law, give loading data, that if it were even possible, would be very dangerous (ref, his .223 load where the powder just about fills the case, forget about putting a projectile on top of it, or overloading pot metal guns), make stupid challenges that even when he's taken up on one, he won't show.

The bluster, threats and insults are signs of gross stupidity and mental problems. If he just posted what he likes in guns without the BS, I'd have no problem with it. When he writes a decent post you'll probably notice I give a decent response. Real simple, but he doesn't want that.

 

[Rich Z]

1. What core base of knowledge? Davis has none. Davis is a known criminal, advocating criminal acts. Does the word accessory give you pause?

This is not the only message board I run, and I have been rather careful about knowing my liabilities and responsibilities. The primary federal law concerning owners and moderators of public message boards is THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT OF 1996 which specifically protects owners and moderators from liability over what someone else posts on the message board. I am not only not liable for allowing messages to remain here, but I am not liable for removing them.

If you do not want to ban him, edit the CRAP out of his posts. Or, it will look like you are selfishly using him, for your own purposes, and to hell with decent folk.

Conversely, editing someone else's messages is VERY dangerous, because once I do that I become the author of the messages. One mistake in editing and I could be held responsible for the entire message, or maybe even other related messages. Thanks, but no thanks.

Another law to reference is the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. There are probably more of them, but those are the biggies.