A hearty welcome to you, I hope you like it here. This is one of the really good forums to hang out on.denman3266 said:Thanks, I decided to register after a few days looking about and something about the guy just gives me the creeps. I hear about him all over the web and its the same everyplace I go. This is just the 1st time that I have seen the full GunKid effect.
I hate to admit it, but I agree with you a little bit on this topic. For example, I have NOT started some threads that I WOULD like to see discussed because I know "andy" will just turn theminto another "you can't kill people with that, stupe!" type thread. It isn't worth trying to start a decent thread when I KNOW they'll just be degenerated into the same old type thread.Stillwater said:A hearty welcome to you, I hope you like it here. This is one of the really good forums to hang out on.
The management should crack down on John Melvin Davis, aka gunkid, 223 fan, andy and assorted other screen names, a little more. He is getting away with things that would have him banned on any other website.
However, I think the management wants to show post count. The management should be concerned about post count, but, they should also be more concerned about post content, than count.
What management needs to do, if they are concerned about post count, is to get out, and start leading the discussions, starting threads themselves. They need to act as leaders, if they want their forums to be a success. Right guys?
Questions:Rich Z said:I got concerned about content back when I first started up this site. Had some yokels posting BS so I shut the gates to unregistered posting and blocked them out cold. Well, the site DIED like it had hit a brick wall head on, although I had a core group of what I hoped would be regulars here. Just couldn't seem to reach critical mass and the core group just faded away. Even now, most are not back, and maybe never will. Actually things got so bad that I seriously considered shutting it down completely and using the vBulletin license for another site I was thinking about starting up. But I decided to let it just run on neutral for a while and see what happened.
So Andy/223 fan showed up. Yeah, he's rather abrasive, and I wish he were different, but to be honest, I do read what he says, and although I don't agree with all of it, I do agree with some of it. I do believe he has a core base of knowlege he is drawing on, but yes, the delivery does need to have the rough edges removed. Right or wrong, he is attempting to get this site rolling, and I am not about to look a gift horse in the mouth. Should I ban him for threats, both overt and implied? Why yes, I should, and the administrator blood in me wants to do that, but I'm not going to.
If you do not want to personally moderate Davis's posts, find a person who will fairly edit out Davis's crap, but leave the main content intact. There is a good way to do this, which I have used with much success, before. This can be done without overly excessive moderation.This time around, I am not being so hasty. Yeah, maybe things will get dicey and the BS more than hip deep, but I'm staying my hand and just watching to see what happens. After all, it can't be much worse than the first time around when I saw the blood of this site just spilling into the sand and nothing I could do to save it. I was pumping pay per clicks through the nose for this site and it just wasn't helping at all. So will this be better than being a dead site? Beats me, but there's only one way to find out.
Freedom? That is not freedom -- it is capitulation to a criminal sociopath!So yeah, I know people aren't going to like some of the things said, and feathers are going to be ruffled, but that's just going to have to be the way it is. Freedom is like that I guess, when I think about it. The real cost of freedom is having to put up with other people doing things you don't particularly like. So grin and bear it, gentlemen (and ladies), just like I am going to do. I'm hoping in the long run it will prove to be worthwhile.
Rich, I think you are trying to be a decent guy about the whole Johm Melvin Davis thing. The problem with decent people is, that they get kicked in the teeth a lot. That shouldn't happen here.As far as me taking the lead and starting conversations, heck I tried that for a while, but got tired of just talking to myself. And I'll be the first to admit that I am no expert. Been collecting and shooting since the late 70s but I am not going to try to blow smoke and make you think I am something that I am not. Honestly, I know I am just too busy to be able to practice enough to be more than just a passable shot, but it doesn't bother me that I am just average. Heck, I just like to talk, listen, and learn about guns, and decided why not just make my own site where I can make it what I want? If you all want changes in this site, well just let me know. I don't have any axes to grind and I like to play around with programming, so I'm willing to see what I can do to make this site what YOU want it to be as well.
No one has said they are always right. They have said that John Melvin Davis's attitude, and the way he expresses himself, is wrong all of the time.I have my own opinions on things, but I am willing to listen to what someone has to say with the notion in mind that I just may be wrong. No harm in that if you understand that being wrong is just an opportunity to learn something new and not an attack on your manhood. NO ONE is always right about everything. Anyone who even comes close to believing that has just lost the ability to learn and doesn't know it.
I would love to help you out, however, from reading how you want things to be, the posters, except for John Melvin Davis, will be doing all of the helping, and Davis will be free and unfettered to do his habitually excremental posting.So help me out here. Cut down the name calling, whether or not the person you are calling names deserves it or not.
Well, that would be the politically correct way of handling the problem, wouldn't it?It really doesn't help matters and only adds fuel to the fire. Read any conversation where one side cusses and raises verbal abuse to new levels, and the other side is calm and rational. The calm rational guy can be wrong as all hell, but you will normally find yourself siding with him anyway just because the other side just grates against your nerves. Listening to an asshole who is right is much more difficult to do than listening to a gentleman who is wrong. So in here, be an example of what you want to see in other people.
So? What is that supposed to mean?Teufelhund said:
You followed him Stillwater, he didn't follow you.
A facetious question, also known as a snide remark, which I will overlook.Teufelhund said:Folks can go where they want too and apparently you wanted to follow behind JD LOL.
Does that make him your leader?
Yes, it does fall under the category of "suit myself." John Melvin Davis should have consulted people who know me, before he threatened me. If he had, he might have considered doing otherwise. I'm like my rowdy old pit bull dog, once motivated, I never give up.The rest of your post follows under the catagory of "suit yourself."
You're alluding to John Melvin Davis's status as a ex-convict when you said I will be enjoying his same legal status. That could be a fact for both you, and me. But it won't because I have committed gross criminal acts, like John Melvin Davis has.Something to ponder though, I bet it won't be too awfull long before you are registering or turning in those 10/22 target rifles or enjoying JD's current legal status.
KJUN said:I don't think ANYONE wants him banned for THINKING differently.
This is not the only message board I run, and I have been rather careful about knowing my liabilities and responsibilities. The primary federal law concerning owners and moderators of public message boards is THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT OF 1996 which specifically protects owners and moderators from liability over what someone else posts on the message board. I am not only not liable for allowing messages to remain here, but I am not liable for removing them.1. What core base of knowledge? Davis has none. Davis is a known criminal, advocating criminal acts. Does the word accessory give you pause?
Conversely, editing someone else's messages is VERY dangerous, because once I do that I become the author of the messages. One mistake in editing and I could be held responsible for the entire message, or maybe even other related messages. Thanks, but no thanks.If you do not want to ban him, edit the CRAP out of his posts. Or, it will look like you are selfishly using him, for your own purposes, and to hell with decent folk.