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for less cost than milsurp. :) Nobody has to practice much at all with .45, cause the recoil just aint that much different than with 9mm, for realistic civilian defensive distances (ie, 10 ft and less) If you use a 26 oz alloy framed compact 9mm, the recoil is IDENTICAL to .45 ball recoil, in a 40 oz steel framed, full sized .45, because the 50% increased wt, 1" longer gun negates the 50% increase in recoil, and that's IF you aint using wussy loads for .45 practice.

9mm ball is 10c a shot, and the COMPONENTS for reloading .45's cost that much. So you pick up brass, and spend time at the reloading bench for NOTHING. .45 milsurp is 18c a shot, so even if you DO have SOME need of .45 practice (on top of 9mm and .22 unit practice) it's not enough to justify the cost of a progressive reloader ($500+) and without a progressive, reloading is a HUGE waste of time, for anything but special combat ammo.
 

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Keep in mind that the cost of ammunition is not the same in all 4 corners of the continent. What might be easily and cheaply available in florida might cost an arm and a leg in Alaska. See Gunkid, your wrong again!
 

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Compare like rounds to like rounds. I can reload .45 ACP for about the same cost as ball ($.02 cheaper to reload), however, I can reload premium bullets for MUCH less than buying the same ammo.

9mm is slightly cheaper to buy ball ammo for, but again, premium ammo is much cheap handloading than buying.

Moral of the story: you can, by handloading, actually practice with your combat loads.

Those of us that can HAVE combat loads that is. . .
 

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assuming that your time is worth NOTHING

that you are stupid enough to BELIEVE that you NEED to practice a lot with combat ammo. Believe me, bud, I've seen world class competiors, REPEATEDLY miss the ENTIRE torso at 10m, or the A zone at 5m, on STATIONARY targets, in GOOD light, with MATCH gear, and ear muffs and nobody trying to KILL them. REGARDLESS of how miuch you practice, you are STILL going to miss movers, in the dark, while ducking bullets. My friend practices VERY little with the .45, only a minor amount with the 9mm, not even much with the .22, yet he's still better than 99.99% of handgunners, at what counts. There's maybe 50 million handgunners in the US, maybe half as many more, worldwide. If you "think" that more than 7500 are better shottists, from ccw, at less than 20 ft, than my friend is, you are VERY ignorant indeed. Only the merest handful of men can match or beat his speed at such ranges, and well over 95% of the JUSTIFIABLE civilian self defense shooting occurs at 20 ft and less. You can count on you fingers the guys who can RELAIBLY toss up TWO soda cans, make a ccw belt draw, and hit both in midair. That is real speed and accuracy, and he can do it at least 2 out of 3 tries. :)
 

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You can count on you fingers the guys who can RELAIBLY toss up TWO soda cans, make a ccw belt draw, and hit both in midair. That is real speed and accuracy, and he can do it at least 2 out of 3 tries. :)
While good shooting, it isn't something that relates to the real world. You are probably the only one who has been attacked by two soda cans and survived.

RIKA :D
 

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I once had a sixpack break free of the plastic restraining straps...I thought I was a gonner!

Luckily, I was able to gather them into an empty grocery sack. Phew! it was a scary close call...

Truly a story to someday tell my grandkids about...

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223 fan said:
You can count on you fingers the guys who can RELAIBLY toss up TWO soda cans, make a ccw belt draw, and hit both in midair. That is real speed and accuracy, and he can do it at least 2 out of 3 tries. :)
And YOU, stupe, ain't one of them.

Funny how ever police department has found that using service ammo for practice ups their hit rate on the street. This is common knowledge, but stupes like gunkid are not known for common knowledge but they are known for fantasy.
 
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