of gear hanging on them. They wouldn't make it past the FIRST patch of ice, the first slippery hill, the first mile of mud or ankle deep snow, before they'd HAVE to jettison 50 lbs, or else be out of the fight, with a screwed up ankle or knee. ALL of you know this, but I am the ONLY one to tell the guy that he's fos about his CLAIM of being able to do this. I have $5000 to his $500, that says he can't stay with me, running with 50 lbs of gear, and I am an office worker, 51 years old. I have a nice mountain trail right outside my back door, here in SW CO, and my backpack and its sandbags see regular use.