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I saw on Drudge Report that 3.2 percent of all adults in America are "under the control of the criminal justice system". Folks, that's one out of every thirty-one adults.

What is the impact of this? How is it distributed by race? Will this influence the election?
 

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Ask GK - he, Andy, and 223 Fan ARE THREE OF THEM.

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The fact that American people will tolerate this shows that they will tolerate a police state.
 

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mrostov said:
The fact that American people will tolerate this shows that they will tolerate a police state.
I don't know if you can make that jump or not. But it is a serious question, but it isn't a simple one. There's a whole bunch of stuff to consider:

Should there be people in jail?

Should people be punished for their crimes?

Are there stupid laws?

Are there people that probably should not be in jail?

At what point is it a police state?

What if, instead of having so many people in jail, we just executed all of them? Then the number of people in jail would be virtually zero. Would that mean we were not a police state in that case?

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Actually I think it shows that Americans do not tolerate a police state. If we had a Police State, as you call it, there would likely be far fewer people in jail because most of them would have been executed already. Now if you doubt that just look at some of the police states throughout history - execution was a favored and frequently used tool of the state.

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Glenn Bartley said:
Actually I think it shows that Americans do not tolerate a police state. If we had a Police State, as you call it, there would likely be far fewer people in jail because most of them would have been executed already. Now if you doubt that just look at some of the police states throughout history - execution was a favored and frequently used tool of the state.

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Aren't we all full of "good cheer" this evening.

However, I think a police type/authoritarian state is coming. Many things and people are predicting it. If you want to see what it will be like, Read the book of Revelation, or do a Internet search for the Mark Of The Beast. Scary stuff.
 

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The US is already a police state on the books, the government just needs a pretext to scare the people bad enough so that they will accept it as 'emergency measures'.
 

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People who don't accept the emergency measures of the police state will be declared outlaws and hunted down. Some for 'rehabilitation' and some for termination. Cheery thought, huh?

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Well, Washington's vision did show him that the 3rd war fought on American soil would be the bloodiest by a long shot and the American people would come within an eyelash of losing it, winning only during a final rally at the very last minute.
 

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Bring it ON, Big Brother. Let's SEE how well you do, ruling over mere ASHES.
Talk's cheap MELVIN! And you're a poor man.
 

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mrostov said:
The US is already a police state on the books, the government just needs a pretext to scare the people bad enough so that they will accept it as 'emergency measures'.
There are some that say the "Patriot Act" is the cover for what you stated.

FEMA, it'self has some mighty suspicious powers writen within it's pages.

I hope to hell you are wrong Mike, but, I am growing more suspicious day by day.
 

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GBullet said:
I saw on Drudge Report that 3.2 percent of all adults in America are "under the control of the criminal justice system". Folks, that's one out of every thirty-one adults.

What is the impact of this? How is it distributed by race? Will this influence the election?
The statistics on the racial balance are not generally advertised, but they are available. The Federal Prison System ratio is (roughly) 40% Black, 30% White, 20% Hispanic, and 10% Other. Inmates are transferred to maintain the ratio. Look at the population ratio overall, and you'll see that blacks and Hispanics are much, much more likely to be incarcerated. Make of that what you will.
 

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After posting I found the article. In there the author stated that the combined fed, state and local ratio was 41 percent black, 40 percent white and the rest were listed as other.

I don't mean this in any way racist, just factual. It seems like the Democrats are missing a big chunk of their voters through drug convictions (overwhelmingly black), while the Republicans may lose a few to gun convictions (predominantly white males). Are some members of both parties using felony laws as a form of dodgeball to eliminate the other party's voters? Or do these people deserve their lifelong status?
 

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GBullet said:
After posting I found the article. In there the author stated that the combined fed, state and local ratio was 41 percent black, 40 percent white and the rest were listed as other.

I don't mean this in any way racist, just factual. It seems like the Democrats are missing a big chunk of their voters through drug convictions (overwhelmingly black), while the Republicans may lose a few to gun convictions (predominantly white males). Are some members of both parties using felony laws as a form of dodgeball to eliminate the other party's voters? Or do these people deserve their lifelong status?
Their actions earned them their status as a FELON, they deserve the life long status ...

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There are established mechanisms for freeing the felon from the effects of their conviction. Expungment, for the asking, if they deserve it.

I know a person that just did this for a drug conviction. Of course, he had a spotless prison, and parole record. Expungement can be earned.
 

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Well, Washington's vision did show him that the 3rd war fought on American soil would be the bloodiest by a long shot and the American people would come within an eyelash of losing it, winning only during a final rally at the very last minute.
Mike - hadn't heard this before, and curious as to the story...?
 

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George Washington's Vision ...

I'm not Mike, I think he might be at work. Sooo, I will post this for him ... I hope Mike doesn't mind ...

George Washington’s Remarkable Vision

NOTE: The following was originally published by Wesley Bradshaw in the National Review, Vol. 4, No. 12, December 1880 (and handed down to me by my grandmother).

The last time I ever saw Anthony Sherman was on July 4, 1859, in Independence Square. He was then 99 years old, and becoming very feeble. But though so old, his dimming eyes rekindled as he gazed upon Independence Hall, which he came to visit once more.

“Let us go into the hall,” he said. “I want to tell you an incident of Washington’s life - one which no one alive knows of except myself; and, if you live, you will before long, see it verified.

“From the opening of the Revolution we experienced all phases of fortune, now good and now ill; one time victorious and another conquered. The darkest period we had, I think, was when Washington, after several reverses, retreated to Valley Forge, where he resolved to spend the winter of 1777. Ah! I have often seen our dear commander’s care-worn cheeks, as he would be conversing with a confidential officer about the condition of his poor soldiers. You have doubtless heard the story of Washington’s going to the thicket to pray. Well, it was not only true, but he used often to pray in secret for aid and comfort from God, the interposition of whose Divine Providence brought us safely through the darkest days of tribulation.

“One day, I remember well, the chilly winds whistled through the leafless trees, though the sky was cloudless and the sun shone brightly, he remained in his quarters nearly all the afternoon alone. When he came out, I noticed that his face was a shade paler than usual, and there seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance. Returning just after dusk, he dispatched an orderly to the quarters of the officer I mention who was presently in attendance. After a preliminary conversation of about half an hour, Washington, gazing upon his companion with that strange look of dignity which he alone could command said to the latter:

“I do not know whether it is owing to anxiety of my mind, or what, but this afternoon, as I was sitting at this table engaged in preparing a dispatch, something seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing opposite me a singularly beautiful female. So astonished was I, for I had given strict orders not to be disturbed, that it was some moments before I found language to inquire the cause of her presence. A second, a third, and even a fourth time did I repeat my question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of her eyes.

“Presently I heard a voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn,” while at the same time my visitor extended her arm eastwardly. I now beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a strange scene. Before me lay spread out in one vast plain all the countries of the world---Europe, Asia, Africa, and America. I saw rolling and tossing, between Europe and America, the billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific.

“Son of the Republic,” said the same mysterious voice as before, “look and learn.” At that moment I beheld a dark, shadowy being, like an angel, standing, or rather floating, in the hollow air, between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand, he sprinkled some upon America with his right hand while with his left hand he cast some on Europe. Immediately a cloud raised from these countries and joined in mid-ocean. For a while it remained stationary, and then moved slowly westward, until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashes of lightning gleamed through it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people.

“A second time the angel dipped water from the ocean, and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud was then drawn back to the ocean, in whose heaving billows it sank from view. A third time I heard the mysterious voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn.” I cast my eyes upon America and beheld villages and towns and cities springing up one after another until the whole land, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, was dotted with them. Again I head the mysterious voice say, “Son of the Republic, the end of the century cometh, look and learn.”

“At this the dark shadowy angel turned his face southward, and from Africa I saw an ill-omened spectre approach our land. It flitted slowly over every town and city of the latter. The inhabitants presently set themselves in battle array against each other. As I continued looking, I saw a bright angel, on whose brow rested a crown of light, on which was traced the word “Union,” bearing the American flag which he placed between the divided nation, and said, “Remember ye are brethren.” Instantly, the inhabitants casting from them their weapons became friends once more, and united around the National Standard.

“And again I heard the mysterious voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn.” At this, the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia, and Africa. Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene. From each of these countries arose thick, black clouds that were soon joined into one. And throughout this mass, there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men, who, moving with the cloud, marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in the volume of cloud. And I dimly saw these vast armies devastate the whole country, and burn the villages, towns and cities that I beheld springing up.

“As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of swords, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat., I again heard the mysterious voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn.” When the voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth, and blew a long and fearful blast.

“Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above me, and pierced and broke into fragments the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel upon whose head still shone the word “Union,” and who bore our national flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who I perceived were well-nigh overcome, but who immediately taking courage again closed up their broken ranks and renewed the battle. Again, amid the fearful noise of the conflict, I heard the mysterious voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn.”

“As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious.

“Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities, springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, plating the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice: “While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the Union last.” And taking from his brow the crown on which was blazoned the word “Union,” he placed it upon the Standard, while the people, kneeling down, said “Amen.”

“The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor, who in the same voice I had heard before, said, “Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted. Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third.”

“(The comment on his word ‘third’ is: The help against the THIRD peril comes in the shape of Divine assistance; passing which, the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and Union.)”

“With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown me the birth, progress, and destiny of the UNITED STATES.”

“Such, my friends,” concluded the venerable narrator, “were the words I heard from Washington’s own lips, and America will do well to profit by them.”
 
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