Good job adding to the ranks.
Thanks for your response. You have not answered a post of mine politely since I joined this Forum. Maybe you can't. I sold it for exactly what it cost me, minus the work to get it clean. I threw in a 70 round bandolier of ammunition, too, because he is a friend.andy said:sure they want, at HALF price you paid for it. So what?
I think that is exactly what it is, Garand. To buy or sell a 50 year old gun is a minimum of effort unless you are forbidden to. Then it becomes priceless.Garand said:Is it me, or is someone jealous that we can buy or sell guns as we want to??
Yes. Two are missing because I bought them a short while later. I'm no expert at this, just Mineral Spirits, Guns scrubber and a lot of work and rags. The SKS's were MUCH tougher, due to the gas system and grenade cut off, all filled with cosmoline. The blond wood one jammed repeatedly, until it finall spat a glob of cosmoline in my face. It's worked fine ever since. The military guns are designed to fit everyone, so they fit no one!BigJon said:Wow, Terry, those are beautiful. Looks like you did some work on them. Myself, well, I have picked up a Model 1917 Winchester recently, and I have a very nice 1903A3. Both are good shooters, but I am large, and the short stocks on the things are not pleasant for extended shooting. On a tip, I ordered rubber grenade-launcher boots for them from Sarco. That should give me a little extra padding and also increase the length of pull on these stocks, which as you know are very short so they'll fit a wide range of soldier bodies. Am also working my way (money going to other projects first) to buying several Spanish Guardia .308 Mausers for gunsmithing practice and for truck guns. Did you do your own work on the rifles in your photo?
The Mosin Nagant M38 is my truck rifle. Hard to beat a $50 rifle that fires a powerful round and isn't as inaccurate as some would have you believe. Plus, if it gets taken by an in-the-dark LEO (carry is legal here) and gets beat up in the police inventory before being returned, well, it's a $50 rifle!gripper said:Rate of fire won't be hig like a semi,but whichever you practice with ;stripper clipped ammo on a bandolier/carrier makes for a cood "grabbitand go' or Ppickup truck" option.
lol! Yep! Never heard it put that way, but it's damn accurate (wish I'd thought of it). My Garand and M1A weren't a big deal. There are commercially available rubber buttpads that screw right on where the metal buttplate is removed. The 03A3 and 1917 were a bit tougher. I bounced around the internet and found a thread where some guys had suggested the rubber grenade-launcher boots for 'em. I located some reproductions at Sarco and ordered two yesterday ($35 each - youch!). Worth it, though, it if keep me from having to wear one of those Past patches during my plinking walks through the woods; I am mighty tired of my pals gigging me, a "big ol' 6'5", 270 pound wuss", for wearing it. I point out the fact that they have nice, juicy Pachmeyer pads on their rifles, but to no avail.Terry G said:The military guns are designed to fit everyone, so they fit no one!
TG:Terry G said:Thanks for your response. You have not answered a post of mine politely since I joined this Forum. Maybe you can't. I sold it for exactly what it cost me, minus the work to get it clean. I threw in a 70 round bandolier of ammunition, too, because he is a friend.
So while they are not out right saying you can sell them, they are clarifying that you cannot use a C&R license if you plan to "engage in business as a dealer" regarding firearms that have been classified as curios and relics. It does not say you cannot sell them. Reading on on that same link you come to this next part:The principal advantage of a Collector's License, therefore, is that a collector can acquire curios or relics in interstate commerce. Although a licensed collector may acquire and dispose of curios or relics at any location, dispositions to nonlicensees must generally be made to residents of the same State in which the collector is licensed. Further, A LICENSED COLLECTOR IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO ENGAGE IN BUSINESS AS A DEALER IN ANY FIREARMS, INCLUDING CURIOS OR RELICS. A FEDERAL FIREARMS DEALER'S LICENSE IS REQUIRED FOR THIS ACTIVITY. The term "engaged in business" as applied to a dealer in firearms refers, in part, to a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to engaging in such activity as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit. Therefore, any person intending to "engage in the business" of selling firearms, including firearms defined by ATF as Curios or Relics, must first obtain a dealers license.
Now note that last sentence where they talk about: "The sale or other disposition..." They don't mean the sale to you by the dealer from whom you bought it because they already covered that part by saying you had to keep a record of the receipt of the curio or relic firearm. Now they are talking about the sale or other disposition after you already own it.178.125 Record of receipt and disposition (f) Firearms receipt and disposition by licensed collectors. Each licensed collector shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms curios or relics. The record required by this paragraph shall be maintained in bound form under the format prescribed below. The purchase or other acquisition of a curio or relic shall, except as provided in [§ 27 C.F.R 178.125] (g) of this section, be recorded not later than the close of the next business day following the date of such purchase or other acquisition. The record shall show the date of receipt, the name and address or the name and license number of the person from whom received, the name of the manufacturer and importer (if any), the model, serial number, type, and the caliber or gauge of the firearm curio or relic. The sale or other disposition of a curio or relic shall be recorded by the licensed collector not later than 7 days following the date of such transaction.
Aha, I knew they said it somewhere. This papragraph applies to someone wanting to sell to someone in another state, but note that word SELL as applicable to the holder of a C&R license. It is from the ATF FAQ about C&R licenses. Of course you could also seel to someone in another state by going through an FFL.Can a licensed collector sell a curio or relic shotgun or rifle to a nonlicensed resident of another state?
Yes. A licensed collector is specifically authorized to sell a curio or relic shotgun or rifle to a nonlicensed resident of another State so long as 1.) The purchaser meets with the licensee in person at the licensee's premises to accomplish the transfer, sale, and delivery of the rifle or shotgun; and 2.) The sale, delivery, and receipt of the rifle or shotgun fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such states.