andy said:
what about them? they are joke, basically. they don't have ENOUGH more power than a .22 to matter any,
A 115gr Silver Bear hollowpoint out of a Makarov's 3.8" barrel is only about 90fps slower than a Federal 115gr load out of a Glock 26.
andy said:
and their ammo costs 5x as much as .22 ammo does.
No, it isn't.
One of the most effective loads for the Makarov is the Silver Bear 115gr Hollowpoint. Bought by the 50 round box I can get it for 11.9 cents per round. Bought by the case it's 10.5 cents per round.
CCI Stingers, one of the most effective loads for the .22LR, and WAY less powerful than the 9x18mm 115gr Silver Bear, usually goes for $3.50 to $4.50 per 50 round box. that's 7 cents to 9 cents per round.
Now I don't know where you've been getting your figures, but THAT is NOT a factor of five times the cost.
andy said:
They are too big and heavy to be pants pocket guns.
No, it isn't. I have both a Mak and an Uncle Mike's slipper holster and the Mak fits like it was made for a pair of blue jeans. In pants pocket carry, you have the grip outside of the pocket and you have a shirt covering the grip.
However Pants pocket carry is a piss poor way to carry a pistol, especially if you are active, though it may work OK for homies hanging out at the street corner. A Mak fits real well in your waist band and other methods of more practical carry.
andy said:
Hell, a M21 Barretta 22 is a SHIRT POCKET gun or even a NECKLACE pendant or WRIST holster, bra rig gun, back of neck (under long hair) gun. Such 'surprise" issues can easily mean FAR more than the petty amount of "power" that a Mak offers.
You can surprise someone with a Mak, since it VASTLY eclipses the piss ant M21 in power.
The M21 does to ONE thing well. Since it has almost no barrel, it so degrades the performance of the .22LR that it makes the anemic .25ACP look a lot better in comparison.
andy said:
A Mak is a belt gun, and you can easily have a LOT more power going for you in a belt gun.
A Mak is a very good CCW gun, people who actually CCW and have handled a Mak know this.
andy said:
A 9mm Star BM costs no more than a Mak does, basically. A .45 Star model B often costs LESS than does a Makarov, and it easily offers 3x as much power, simply by pulling the 117 gr Aquila 4 segment prefrag, and loading it to the 1600 fps that can easily be attained in a 5" .45 ACP. that's 600 ft lbs,and 4 separate wound cavities, not the paltry 220 ft lbs, one wound cavity, and unlikely expansion of the 9x18 jhp, at its pathetic 1050 fps.
A Star BM's main redeeming feature is that it's cheap. It's been out of production for years and it supplies are drying up. The Mak is more reliable,more accurate, and a lot more available. The Mak is one of the more accurate pistols of it's class on the market actually, it almost never jams, and it works under the sh^ttiest conditions.
One of these days JD you're going to touch off an excessively hot handload, and providing that Star has still held together, it will fire and you will eat a slide.
BTW, since you've been on ice, most of what you know about hollowpoints became obsolete. Modern hollowpoints work quite well at normal velocities.
