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I Militech'd my three Makarov's and per instructions, shot them until they were "heated to operating temperature" . I interpreted that as hot, so I put three magazines through each of them fairly rapidly. The Bulgarian, Russian, and German were almost identical in accuracy. The Russian (IJ70) is the roughest of the lot, but still a very accurate shooter at 50 feet. The triggers on all three seemed smoother after the Militech treatment, the slides definitely were. These pistols are worth at least double their money, your missing a bet if you don't pick one up. Do they EVER jam?
 

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You don't have to sell me on MAKs Terry. They are fine handguns. Only thing I gotta do is really smooth out that feed ramp and maybe modify the magazine so it will feed the HPs. A person could have a fine MAK collection at a relatively small cost.

Will yours feed HPs?

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Raider said:
You don't have to sell me on MAKs Terry. They are fine handguns. Only thing I gotta do is really smooth out that feed ramp and maybe modify the magazine so it will feed the HPs. A person could have a fine MAK collection at a relatively small cost.

Will yours feed HPs?
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I have shot Hornady HP's, I'm not sure of the bullet weight, 95GR.? out of the Russian and German. I just (today) shot Silver Bear 115 Gr. HP, out of all three. I put a mix together of Wolf 109 Gr. FMJ, 92 GR. Siver Bear FMJ, and Tula Arsenal and fired them through all three pistols today, no malfunctions. My twelve magazines are stock, all were brand new. My son has a German Makarov and he fires nothing but Hornady and Silver Bear HP's, and he has had no malfunctions. If you have HP's hanging up, I would bet it's the magazines. Check out the Silver Bear, the HP"s are designed like ball ammunition.
 

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Thanks Terry, I'll pick some up at the next gunshow as none are available locally. In the meantime will work on one of the spare mags - maybe I can get it to feed.

Glad yours work so well.

Have you looked at the M1895 Nagant Revolver. Its truly an example of clever engineering. I've shot 32 S&W's in mine and its pretty accurate. Have some 32-20's that I need to load up and test.

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Rika, Try J&G Sales, Inc., nice site. Silver Bear 115 Gr. 50 Rds. $5.95, and about five other different kinds of 9X18MM. E-mail them a drivers licenses and your in business. I buy a lot of C&R guns and ammunition from them.
 

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what about them? they are joke, basically. they don't have ENOUGH more power than a .22 to matter any, and their ammo costs 5x as much as .22 ammo does. They are too big and heavy to be pants pocket guns. Hell, a M21 Beretta 22 is a SHIRT POCKET gun or even a NECKLACE pendant or WRIST holster, bra rig gun, back of neck (under long hair) gun. Such 'surprise" issues can easily mean FAR more than the petty amount of "power" that a mak offers.

A mak is a belt gun, and you can easily have a LOT more power going for you in a belt gun. A 9mm Star BM costs no more than a Mak does, basically. A .45 Star model B often costs LESS than does a Makarov, and it easily offers 3x as much power, simply by pulling the 117 gr Aquila 4 segment prefrag, and loading it to the 1600 fps that can easily be attained in a 5" .45 ACP. that's 600 ft lbs,and 4 separate wound cavities, not the paltry 220 ft lbs, one wound cavity, and unlikely expansion of the 9x18 jhp, at its pathetic 1050 fps.
 

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Anyone who know's anything about handguns, thinks the Makarov is a really fine way to go as far as the need for a defensive pistol goes. Small enough for easy concealment, accurate as any pistol out there, and with jacketed hollow points, a stopper on par with 9X19MM JHP's. It is probably one of the most reliable handguns I have ever shot. Round nose, FMJ, JHP, it just feeds and fires them all. Sorry you can't own, or even fire one John-Boy, but you are looking real stupid to the rest of the shooting community by knocking them. Look around you. Everybody but you thinks their great. I guess real SHOOTER'S are wrong, and you who have NEVER shot one, is right. Give it up. You lose this one.
 

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what about them? they are joke, basically. they don't have ENOUGH more power than a .22 to matter any,
A 115gr Silver Bear hollowpoint out of a Makarov's 3.8" barrel is only about 90fps slower than a Federal 115gr load out of a Glock 26.

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and their ammo costs 5x as much as .22 ammo does.
No, it isn't.

One of the most effective loads for the Makarov is the Silver Bear 115gr Hollowpoint. Bought by the 50 round box I can get it for 11.9 cents per round. Bought by the case it's 10.5 cents per round.

CCI Stingers, one of the most effective loads for the .22LR, and WAY less powerful than the 9x18mm 115gr Silver Bear, usually goes for $3.50 to $4.50 per 50 round box. that's 7 cents to 9 cents per round.

Now I don't know where you've been getting your figures, but THAT is NOT a factor of five times the cost.


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They are too big and heavy to be pants pocket guns.
No, it isn't. I have both a Mak and an Uncle Mike's slipper holster and the Mak fits like it was made for a pair of blue jeans. In pants pocket carry, you have the grip outside of the pocket and you have a shirt covering the grip.

However Pants pocket carry is a piss poor way to carry a pistol, especially if you are active, though it may work OK for homies hanging out at the street corner. A Mak fits real well in your waist band and other methods of more practical carry.

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Hell, a M21 Barretta 22 is a SHIRT POCKET gun or even a NECKLACE pendant or WRIST holster, bra rig gun, back of neck (under long hair) gun. Such 'surprise" issues can easily mean FAR more than the petty amount of "power" that a Mak offers.
You can surprise someone with a Mak, since it VASTLY eclipses the piss ant M21 in power.

The M21 does to ONE thing well. Since it has almost no barrel, it so degrades the performance of the .22LR that it makes the anemic .25ACP look a lot better in comparison.

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A Mak is a belt gun, and you can easily have a LOT more power going for you in a belt gun.
A Mak is a very good CCW gun, people who actually CCW and have handled a Mak know this.

andy said:
A 9mm Star BM costs no more than a Mak does, basically. A .45 Star model B often costs LESS than does a Makarov, and it easily offers 3x as much power, simply by pulling the 117 gr Aquila 4 segment prefrag, and loading it to the 1600 fps that can easily be attained in a 5" .45 ACP. that's 600 ft lbs,and 4 separate wound cavities, not the paltry 220 ft lbs, one wound cavity, and unlikely expansion of the 9x18 jhp, at its pathetic 1050 fps.
A Star BM's main redeeming feature is that it's cheap. It's been out of production for years and it supplies are drying up. The Mak is more reliable,more accurate, and a lot more available. The Mak is one of the more accurate pistols of it's class on the market actually, it almost never jams, and it works under the sh^ttiest conditions.

One of these days JD you're going to touch off an excessively hot handload, and providing that Star has still held together, it will fire and you will eat a slide.

BTW, since you've been on ice, most of what you know about hollowpoints became obsolete. Modern hollowpoints work quite well at normal velocities.
 

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