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10 ft, toe2toe, means 2" wide pattern

from buckshot, typical 20" riot barrel, 12 ga. No help at hitting the chest, compared to a rifle, and SLOWER to get that same hit than is a good pistol. So why bother with the pos, anyway?
 

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u dont see me recommending a 308

EITHER Rich. The 223 is quite bad also. That's why a lot of Swat entry guys used CANNED 223's, or else use electronic ear muffs. The average guy should just use a 9mm Marlin carbinek, $300 used, not a shotgun, with Cor Bon's 100 gr powrball ammo in it (1600 fps, 550 ft lbs. The electronic muffs cost $150+, $250 in "sterio", so that you can hear where a sound CAME FROM. You also have to take the time to turn them "on" risk having low batteries, etc. A small, lw 223, short barrel, with a small lw "can" on it, and you are WAY ahead of the shotgun.

Basically, tho, you won't GET to any longarm in time, short of a riot or shtf. So a real pistol, real loads, and real abillity with it, plus real hand to hand skills, and body armor,are by far the most realistic answer to the "home defense' problem. Just WEAR the pistol. If it's too big and heavy to SLEEP while wearing, it's not a good choice, at all.
 

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I sleep with my shotgun loaded under the bed, with specialized loads for home defense purposes. They contain less powder, so they don't blast a hole in your wall, but'll still neutralize the threat. Thing about shotguns is, you just need to rack it and the criminals go running. My shotgun also has an 18" barrel, a pistol grip, and a top folding stock.:D It also has a barrel shroud to make it look "meaner.";)
 

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Heck, if I had to go to sleep wearing a gun and body armor, I think that would be an excellent indication that I need to change my lifestyle or where I live at. Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a dog as an early warning system?
 

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Joe Yablonsky had 12 ga under bed,

during UMW union troubles. 4 guys busted in windows and doors, shot him as he tried to bring it into play. So who says you will BE in the bedroom, dip[bleep]? Or even in the house, for that matter? you STAY in bedroom 24-7? Probably do, come to think of it.

Any body who knows guns knows that the pump action being racked means you are stupid enough to make noise, be one shot shy of a full load, and knows to fire thru the walls at you. :)
 

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I have been in a room where a 223 was AD'd. The sound was loud but not totally deafening. Electronic earmuffs are the answer.

I keep a Colt 1911A1 45acp by the bed as well as a Rem 870 with extended mag.

A Doberman and a Lab give me ample warning of when anyone approaches.

RIKA :)
 

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The biggest problem is there are people who are mentally immature for their age who like to foist their deficancies upon others to make themselves equal to or superior to everyone else; at least in their own mind.

If you can't handle noise and recoil fine but don't go around saying others can't. You have no clue at all what anyone else can or can't do.

If you or anyone else makes false claims on the net your only selling yourself short in the end.

BTW-I keep a 12ga and a .45 handy in the bedroom all the time.
 

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Know what? A 12-gauge is flippin' loud. A .223 is worse. I guess it's the higher pitch.

Fact is, ANY decent firearm is going to be damn loud indoors. If you're really "under attack" you probably won't even hear it.

I fyou think you can't get to a longarm in time, you sure as hell won't be getting into body armor in time either. And no, you don't own any body armor, or long arms, or handguns either Goonkid. And your wife isn't going to be sleeping next to you in your SWAT team getup either.

If someone is worried about the noise of the gun, get stereo electronic hearing protection. Have enough common sense to check/swap out the batteries periodically. Keep them right with your handgun. Not only will they curb the noise of shots fired, it'll INCREASE you hearing regular noise, so they're a benefit either way.
 

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Well, I had an accidental discharge with an M1A inside a 12 x 20 closed room, and yeah it was loud, but not disabling. And no, I didn't drop the gun. And believe me, I was absolutely shocked that the gun had fired, so if anyone was going to drop a gun, it would have been ME right THEN.
 
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