[andy]

For the savings of 1 year's shooting, you can easily pay the diff in gun price for a Beretta M70 .22lr, and have MANY times a better combo of gun and rd. The .22 saves you $60 for every thousand rds, and 5000 rds a year is NOTHING in the way of practice, for a rd with which you have to hit the HEAD to have a decent chance of stopping an attacker. The mak's 200 ft lbs is nothing much. if it WAS, then the 600 ft lbs of the 356 would blow men APART. The M70 is SA, EXTREMELY accurate and reliable, and same size and wt as Mak. The M21 is a better deal than the Mak, really. It's POCKETABLE, and the Mak isn't, and it can be carried cocked and locked, for a $50 extention being added to the safety. With $350 more worth of ,smithing,, used M21 is $150, same as Mak, you can have NICE sights, trigger overtravel removed, and ejector fitted, Taurus PT22 mag fitted, and stippling, Makes the M21 a VERY fast, accurate and reliable pc. Mak will NEVER be a pocket gun, and its ammo will NEVER be 2c a shot, and it will NEVER be a decently reliable manstopper (with just chest hits). I've shot chucks,skunks, possums jackrabbits, *****, etc, with 380 blowbacks, using 90 gr at 1000 fps handloads, and they rolled, and got up again, just like they do with .22lr's, and I mean a dozen of them. Ditto .38 snubs, and similar crap. There just AINT enough power in such loads to amount to a crap.

 

[mrostov]

Since the Mak is a vastly better killing tool than an M21, your post which lacks any hint of a proper base of firearms knowledge is king of pointless.

The M21 sucks for performance, even for a .22.

115gr Mak pre-frag hollowpoints are only 20% more expensive than CCI Stinger.

If you can't figure out that a 115gr pre-frag .363" diameter bullet moving at over 1000fps will be seriously more lethal than a .22LR, and if you're too cheap to practice with anything but cheap, low end .22LR, then you need to stick to roleplaying games and leave reality for the rest of us.

 

[Aslan]

The myth of depositing energy has been disproved. Your analogy of the 356 blowing men apart is stupid, childish, and amusing - all at once.

And for those that care, it was disproved by Fackler. specifically, look at point #4 in the text.

:devil:

 

[Wylycoyte]

Point #7 is relevant, too.

 

[andy]

u r too cheap to find out what REAL pocket gun performance is. The FACT is, and I CAN PROVE it, that the mak aint ENOUGH more powerful to make jack shit differrence. M21's a FINE little gun, if you too cheap to have an extractor and better sights fitted. So who PRACTICES with Stingers, dumbass? They are pointless in a 3" barrel.

 

[RIKA]

The FACT is, and I CAN PROVE it, that the mak aint ENOUGH more powerful to make jack shit differrence.

Prove it andy. I want you to show printed proof of your claims. Otherwise you will have proved yourself a liar ... again.

RIKA

 

[Magnum88C]

He's just jealous.
Leroy the drug dealer doesn't sell Maks, only POS throwaway .22s, so WussKid can't get one.

 

[Garand]

Gunkid isn't a skilled shooter anyways! Marksmanship is a perishable skill and he hasn't shot since he went to jail last time.

 

[mrostov]

u r too cheap to find out what REAL pocket gun performance is. The FACT is, and I CAN PROVE it, that the mak aint ENOUGH more powerful to make jack shit differrence. M21's a FINE little gun, if you too cheap to have an extractor and better sights fitted. So who PRACTICES with Stingers, dumbass? They are pointless in a 3" barrel.

Let's see.... you think that a 115gr pre-frag 9.2mm hollowpoint (Mak is actually 9.2mm) moving at 1020fps (more than enough to reliably expand it's hollowpoint) isn't much better than a .22LR? And a .22LR coming from a teeny, tiny M21 barrel at that.....

Where did you get your gun knowledge from, a comic book?

 

[Stillwater]

<snip>

Where did you get your gun knowledge from, a comic book?

I think NUTTY JOHN got his gun knowledge from Alfred E. Newman of "What?" "Me worry" fame.

 

[copycat]

For the price of John's berretta I can buy two Maks, and nearly 250 rounds of ammo.
The power issue is in John's mind only.