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Hello there fellow gun nuts.

I am looking for an Externally Box Fed Shotgun. I know there are several foreign manufacturers that are illegal to import. I do not have a class III license and don't plan to get one, but I do want a legal box-fed shotgun.

The only USA manufacturer I know is called Valtro in CA. http://www.valtrousa.com/shotguns.html



When I call the company I get no answer for days. I called a Cali gun dealer who is supposed to carry them and he said they have not had them in months and as far as he knows Valtro gave up on them...but that another company took over.

If anyone knows of any company making a legal box-fed shogun please let me know.
 

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Hmmm......a Saiga 12 might be a nice thing to get with either my "rebate" check or tax refund.:uzi:
 

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The Saiga's seems to be the only game in town.. Never heard of these Valtro's before... They're Interesting! I can't believe its CA legal.
Valtro Box magazine fed 12g pump shotgun. Five and seven shot magazines available. A special "Survivor" model will be offered with a folding stock, and your choice of a sure fire fore end, pistol grip fore end or the standard fore grip shown. The combat special shown comes with seven shot magazines, barrel porting, ghost ring sights, oversize mag release and firefly front sight. The speed advantage of inserting a fresh magazine over single loading rounds into a tubular magazine is obvious, not to mention the safety advantage of keeping loaded magazines secured separate from the gun, especially in a home where there are curious children. This item is not sold here directly, contact Bullseye Precision at (415) 453-7465

Spare 7 shot magazines are $55 each. Base model shotgun is $400. Similar to the model shown but without the ghost ring sight. http://www.savvysurvivor.com/shotguns_for_sale.htm
 

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I was under the impression that it was illegal to have the Saiga. Is it not? If it is legal...can someone please link to where I can buy one?

Also, I contacted Bullseye Precision. That is the C.A. seller that said they stopped making them...or that a new manufacturer took them over.

I really really hope the Saiga is being legally manufactured now. Someone please link it and give me an idea of the price.
 

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No one other than Saiga is making a magazine fed shotgun right now.

You can buy a plain saiga and modify it yourself for about $150 to $300 yourself as long as you abide by sr922 or you can purchase one already modified but these can run up to $1000 or more.

Web sites to purchase unmodified are:

www.gunbroker.com

https://www.gilbertsguns.com/

Web site to purchase modified is:

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/
 

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No one other than Saiga is making a magazine fed shotgun right now.

You can buy a plain saiga and modify it yourself for about $150 to $300 yourself as long as you abide by sr922 or you can purchase one already modified but these can run up to $1000 or more.

Web sites to purchase unmodified are:

www.gunbroker.com

https://www.gilbertsguns.com/

Web site to purchase modified is:

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/

I see that atlantic has a standard stock (non tactical) box fed Saiga for about $450. I could do without the folding stock if I saved $500 bucks.

As for converting one myself...I will look into that.

WHAT IS SR922?? I googled it and only came up with a Georgia state resolution about college grade point averages or something to that effect.
Then I googled "SR922 gun bill" and came up with no results.
 

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My apologies, it is 922r . This is the law that applies to imported weapons as far as pistol grips and all. The Saiga shotguns and rifles are imported without pistol grips and can only take five round magazines. You or someone else needs to convert the gun to use a pistol grip and large capacity magazine. When doing this you must also add so many U.S. made parts at that point to make the gun legal or you have made an illegal assault weapon. It is less dangerous if it has "x" number of U.S. made parts.

There is a forum that has all of the information about the conversions and whatever else you ever wanted to know about Saiga shotguns and rifles. If you decide to get on converted or convert one yourself this is where to get information.

http://forum.saiga-12.com/
 

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It appears that one that has been modified to accept the higher capacity magazine....but keeps the original stock sells for about 400-600 bucks. That's not too bad. I think I will pick one up when I get a chance, have the cash, and the mood strikes me.

Would this model also accept 10 rounders and/or drums? The description is a little confusing at the end when it talks about the 10 rd mags.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=405
 

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They are playing with words there. They refer to the other shotgun that has the pistol grip and then refer to the ten round magazines. It is your responsibility to know the law and this is where you can get into trouble.

According to US 922r you can not put a ten round magazine into the shotgun if you do not have the correct number of compliant (U.S. made) parts in the gun. You can put the magazine in there anyway. A SWAT team will not descend on you and arrest you but if a law officer asks to see your weapon when the magazine is in the weapon and it is not compliant you have just violated a federal law. If it reaches that point you have done something to make somebody mad and you are going to jail.

I do not make the laws, but they can bite you.
 
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