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Lucky someone else is paying for the ammo expended! Good example of what could happen if you get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 

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Man would it be rough being in those buildings with that 25mm trained on you.
 

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the really bad part is having to do it in daylight, on some stupid sort of pointless time-schedule. It has nothing to do with the reality of the civlian survivalist. what's the rush? You can just go somewhere else, come back whenever you feel like it. the dumbasses will still be there, if somebody else hasn't killed them, burned them out, etc.
 

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I guess your too stupid to realize that the faster that you get in and get it over with, the less opportunity that hostiles will have build substantial defensive positions. Which can cause you casualties, to your friends and maybe yourself. I realize that because someone else is paying your freight, that you have no timetables in your life. When the time comes that you have to pay your own way, you might find life different.
 

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Hard Lesson in Battle: 150 Marines Meet 1 Sniper

NY Times via Excite News November 11, 2004

FALLUJA, Iraq, Nov. 10 - American marines called in two airstrikes on the pair of dingy three-story buildings squatting along Highway 10 on Wednesday, dropping 500-pound bombs each time. They fired 35 or so 155-millimeter artillery shells, 10 shots from the muzzles of Abrams tanks and perhaps 30,000 rounds from their automatic rifles. The building was a smoking ruin.

But the sniper kept shooting.

He - or they, because no one can count the flitting shadows in this place - kept 150 marines pinned down for the better part of a day. It was a lesson on the nature of the enemy in this hellish warren of rubble-strewn streets. Not all of the insurgents are holy warriors looking for martyrdom. At least a few are highly trained killers who do their job with cold precision and know how to survive.

"The idea is, he just sits up there and eats a sandwich," said Lt. Andy Eckert, "and we go crazy trying to find him."

The contest is a deadly one, and two marines in Company B, First Battalion, Eighth Regiment of the First Marine Expeditionary Force have been killed by snipers in the past two days as the unit advanced just half a mile southward to Highway 10 from a mosque they had taken on Tuesday.

Despite the world-shaking blasts of weaponry as the Americans try to root out the snipers, this is also a contest of wills in which the tension rises to a level that seems unbearable, and then rises again. Marine snipers sit, as motionless as blue herons, for 30 minutes and stare with crazed intensity into the oversized scopes on their guns. If so much as a penumbra brushes across a windowsill, they open up.

With the troops' senses tuned to a high pitch, mundane events become extraordinary. During one bombing, a blue-and-yellow parakeet flew up to a roof of a captured building and fluttered about in tight circles before perching on a slumping power line, to the amazement of the marines assembled there.

On another occasion, the snipers tensed when they heard movement in the direction of a smoldering building. A cat sauntered out, unconcerned with anything but making its rounds in the neighborhood.

"Can I shoot it, sir?" a sniper asked an officer.

"Absolutely not," came the reply.

This day started at about 8 a.m., when the marines left the building where they had been sleeping and headed south toward Highway 10, which runs from east to west and roughly bisects the town. At the corner of Highway 10 and Thurthar, the street they were moving along, was a headquarters building for the Iraqi National Guard that had been taken over by insurgents.

Almost immediately, they came under fire from a sniper in the minaret of a mosque just south of them. Someone in a three-story residential building farther down the street also opened up. The marines made 50-yard dashes and dived for cover, but one of them was cut down, killed on the spot. It was unclear what direction the fatal bullet had come from.

"I don't know who it was," Lt. Steven Berch, leader of the fallen marine's platoon, said of the attacker, "but he was very well trained."

After two hours of bombardment, the sniper at that mosque ceased firing. But just around the corner at the famous blue-domed Khulafah Al Rashid mosque, another sniper was pinning down marines, and airstrikes were called in on it, too. The issue of striking at mosques is so sensitive in the Arab world that the American military later issued a statement saying that the strike on the Khulafah mosque was unavoidable and that precision munitions merely knocked down a minaret.

By noon, the marines had worked their way down to the national guard building, still taking fire from the sniper, or snipers, on the other side of Main Street. Inside was a sign in Arabic that said: "Long live the mujahedeen." Soon the marines had spray-painted another sign over it: "Long live the muj killers."

But for the next five hours, they could not kill whoever was running from window to window and firing at them from the other side of Main Street, despite the expenditure of enormous amounts of ammunition.

"We're not able to see the muzzle flashes," said Capt. Read Omohundro, the company commander. "As a result," he said, "we end up expending a lot of ammunition trying to get the snipers."

At one point, they thought that they had a bead on someone running back and forth between the two buildings. Then Capt. Christopher Spears exclaimed: "He's on a bike!"

And somehow, through a volley of gunfire, whoever it was got away.

At 5 p.m., the marines finally crossed Highway 10 and searched the smoking remains of the two buildings. At 5:30 p.m., a sniper opened up on them.

Marines from Company B, First Battalion, Eighth Regiment of the First Marine Expeditionary Force entered a mosque from which they were being fired on Wednesday in Falluja. Fighting in the city was intense.
 

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good read, thanks for posting that. kinda reminds me of War of the Rats.
 

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just goes to show that a guy with a scoped canned CAR will handle the job easily, cause they won't HAVE arty or air strikes to call in, radio come, or 150 dedicated marines for the job. :) It will be at most a dozen punks.
 

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Ever heard of Sniper - Counter Sniper, andy? Ever heard of Billy Sing? If you start doing what you are planning, your life will be short and bitter.

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Yeah, I'm just so sure the effing Iraqi snipers are using cut-down, cobbled-up POS rifles, that are worthless outside of 40 meters. Even the damn towelheads are smarter than that.
 

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Because of the information that I am privy to from work, the last thing I would ever consider a "*********" to be is stupid! Gunkid, yes, but never a muslem terrorist.
 

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"*********"? Hate is the reason these things happen in the first place, magnum. It is a pity that you cannot understand the implications of what you say. Your statement has pertanence to the very moral fabric of our society; and if hate is so prevelant in our society, who are we to claim superiority over another people.
 

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The term 'hate' has become something of a catchall phrase in our 'society' over-used by those that lack the courage to stand up and 'call a spade a spade'.

Certain social groups are inferior - just a fact. THAT is simply the human condition.

For instance, just look at Africa. Also look specifically at what has happened to South Africa and Rhodesia now that the Blacks have gotten in control of the governments.

It's a comfy illusion to consider yourself so morally 'superior' when you lack the courage to call it like it is and maybe say something uncomplimentary about someone other than a White man, but it's still just an illusion, and a self-destructive one at that.
 

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Coyote, it isn't a matter of hate, it's a matter of disdain.

Have you ever been shot at by them?
Have you walked through a country you just fought to liberate them from and SEEN what they'd done to their fellow Muslim?
Have you seen how they live? I don't mean the crap you see on TV of the rich people, but how the average person is made to live?
Have you seen how "friendly" Muslims treat each other?

Sorry dude, if anything I was being kind.

I do however, thing it strange how many people in this country apparently think that calling a scumbag a scumbag, or a spade a spade as MRostov put it, makes one as bad as the scumbag. I suspect this is warped thinking produce by the lifetime dose of liberal brainwashing we all get everytime we walk out the door.
 

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Sorry if being politically incorrect and speaking without the sugar coating on our words makes you uncomfortable Coyote. This is a site for people who like guns and are interested in survival. The people here are actively Pro-American. Thats just the way it is.

RIKA
 
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