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This is off topic, but I think a point should be made about the Federal Parole system. There is NO parole for a Federal crime committed after October 1, 1987. You do 85% of your sentence with "Good time" accrued. That's it. With "Bad Time" you do it all. "Good time" is awarded for behaviour in prison. If the Federal Crime was committed prior to Oct. 1, 1987, the old parole system would be in effect. To be on parole for 28 years is not only ludicrous, it is illegal. You cannot possess a firearm after a Federal Felony conviction for the rest of your life, without a Presidential Pardon. These pardons are about as likely as being knighted by the Queen of England. Also, a person born in 1959 would have served in Viet Nam as a 12 year old in 1971. I don't think even Air Force "dog handlers" were that young. Oh, and 95 Charlie is an Army MOS, (Military Policeman) not an Air Force Canine designation. I think you get my drift.
 

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My understanding is that there is an office at ATF for gun rights restoration on Federal convictions, but for years now the office has been perpetually defunded with every budget so there is never anyone to process the forms.
 

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Restoration of Rights

You can file for "Restoratation of Rights" until your grandkids are on Social Security and you won't get them. In my career dealings with Federal Case Managers, each and every one of them had a large sign posted in their offices stating to releasing Federal Inmates, "Firearms? Forget It."
 

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Personally, I don't agree with their stance. Anyone can get a gun anyway, so if they are safe enough to release into society, then they should be safe enough to own a weapon.

The entire 'no guns for felons' thing is purely a product of the 1968 GCA. It's also not healthy for a society to create a strata of permanent 2nd class citizens who basically have no hope, most of whom have simply violated some statute. It's a rather Orwellian way to conduct things.
 

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Personally, I don't agree with their stance. Anyone can get a gun anyway, so if they are safe enough to release into society, then they should be safe enough to own a weapon.

The entire 'no guns for felons' thing is purely a product of the 1968 GCA. It's also not healthy for a society to create a strata of permanent 2nd class citizens who basically have no hope, most of whom have simply violated some statute. It's a rather Orwellian way to conduct things.
I was not stating I agree with it, I was stating the way things are. You can have your firearm rights taken away from you for "Domestic Violence" also. I have witnessed and testified for a VICTIM being shorn of his rights for so called "abuse".
 

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How does the victim lose their rights?

The term 'domestic violence' is so vaporous too. Just another part of the 'salami effect' - one slice at a time upon our freedoms.
 

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How does the victim lose their rights?

The term 'domestic violence' is so vaporous too. Just another part of the 'salami effect' - one slice at a time upon our freedoms.
I believe the victim he was referring to was the guy who lost his rights.

I've seen such a victim before. Got a young girl pregnant (he was the same age, 19), married her. Once she shot the kid out she went nuts, filed for divorce. Her sister talked her into filing domestic violence charges and got a restraining order against him, couldn't even go into his own house. Bye bye owning a gun.

And some people wonder why they get beaten to death.

That's our guilty until proven innocent system. Except in many cases, if dealing with man/women relations, like domestic violence, it's guilty whether proven innocent or not.
 

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That's our guilty until proven innocent system. Except in many cases, if dealing with man/women relations, like domestic violence, it's guilty whether proven innocent or not.
The way that law is written is absolutely wrong. Unfortunately people are so apathetic that nobody wants to do anything. I wish that we could get one of the powerful lobbys like GOA or the NRA to challenge it but I doubt that they would since they are so busy just trying to preserve the small rights we have left.

Question for Terry: Are Federal Law Officers and Military Officers subject to the same loss of gun rights if accused of domestic violence or are they exempted? How about conviction? (No flame intended, Terry).

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so who was born in 59, dumbass? I

was born in 1952, and have NEVER claimed to serve in Nam. Also, dummy, I served 13 years in prison, so SHOVE your ignorant "calculations. I started the "regular parole after serving 9 years, was convicted and sentenced in 1986. The regular parole was running as I served a "new law" sentence for escape, and it also "ran" during my 2 year violation for supervised release. They didn't bother to stop the parole, because I had this 10 year Special Parole to follow it, dummy. So, you are revealed as being one IGNORANT jerk on this, just like you are about nearly everything else.
 

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Not trying to pry too much, but if you hadn't escaped, how long would you have served? They sent you back for 2 years on a violation?
 

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Re: Restoration of Rights

Terry G said:
You can file for "Restoratation of Rights" until your grandkids are on Social Security and you won't get them. In my career dealings with Federal Case Managers, each and every one of them had a large sign posted in their offices stating to releasing Federal Inmates, "Firearms? Forget It."
Actually, I know someone who has had his rights restored after a Federal Felony conviction. It wasn't an easy process and it took him nearly six years to get accomplished but he did do it. He still has some hang up issues with the NICS system though. The key is according to him, you can't go through the Rights Restoration system but you have to go around it to the top. Then it can get done.

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Terry G- Yes truth be known GK is really as big of a screw-up as he claims to be. Yeah and don't forget the drug charges also.*


Now I also know someone who had his record expunged after having a conviction for a federal firearms law violation. Though that was the only thing he was convicted for. He didn't have drug charges attached to his record.*

He can now own firearms without any hassel.




* I ain't a big fan of how "the war on drugs" is being carried out just stating facts. Though I don't have any love for those who get high and make assess out of themselves either.
 

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The way that law is written is absolutely wrong. Unfortunately people are so apathetic that nobody wants to do anything. I wish that we could get one of the powerful lobbys like GOA or the NRA to challenge it but I doubt that they would since they are so busy just trying to preserve the small rights we have left.

Question for Terry: Are Federal Law Officers and Military Officers subject to the same loss of gun rights if accused of domestic violence or are they exempted? How about conviction? (No flame intended, Terry).

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They are NOT exempt. When found guitly of domestic abuse, a law enforcement officer, or member of the Armed Forces, can no longer possess a firearm. End of career. AN officer can apply to the Governor of his state for a pardon which is often granted because of the way this poor law was written and is being enforced. There was no past history clause written in, so many people years ago pleaded guitly to the $100.00 misdemeanor on the advice of their attorney's, only to be caught up after the law was passed. The case I was referring to was a Federal Correctional Officer who filed for divorce from his wife who was under a Doctor's care for a violent mental disorder. On the advice of his attorney, he returned to their home to retrieve his possessions. He found evrything he basically owned to be cut up or somehow destroyed. He called 911 and requested an Officer to witness the destruction. At this point his wife ripped the phone from the wall and struck him with wine bottle in the face. She then scratched, bit and kicked him until his uniform was in shreds and he looked like he had a fist fight with a bobcat and lost. The Deputy Sheriff arrived and found not one mark on his wife, but arrested the Officer anyway. Sixteen stiches later he was placed on Administrative Leave and threatened with termination. I was called in as a Union Represenative. After three long months the charges were dropped and he was restored to duty. The wife was never charged with anything. Anytime I hear of a "Domestic Abuse" case, I wonder. Ooops! Almost forgot to answer your first question. Yes, being ACCUSED of Domestic Violence brings about at least temporary loss of rights as far as the job is concerned.
 

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Re: so who was born in 59, dumbass? I

223 fan said:
was born in 1952, and have NEVER claimed to serve in Nam. Also, dummy, I served 13 years in prison, so SHOVE your ignorant "calculations. I started the "regular parole after serving 9 years, was convicted and sentenced in 1986. The regular parole was running as I served a "new law" sentence for escape, and it also "ran" during my 2 year violation for supervised release. They didn't bother to stop the parole, because I had this 10 year Special Parole to follow it, dummy. So, you are revealed as being one IGNORANT jerk on this, just like you are about nearly everything else.
Do you ever respond to a post without childish name calling? Your Special Parole Term would have ended years ago. Give me your Federal Register Number and I'll be happy to check it out for you. And yes, you did state that you served in Viet Nam. You only switched the story to Korea when some pointed questions were asked about in-country location, unit name, and other small details that only a veteran would know. Now you were born in 1952? It was 1954 then 1959 in other postings. I also saw a "copy" of your DD214. A more cobbled up document, I have never seen. Four different typewriter signatures?
 

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Hasn't the domestic violence abuse law ever been challenged in court on constitutional issues? Applying it to someone who had a domestic violence charge against them before the law got on the books is about as classic a case of an ex post facto law as I can imagine. And this is specifically prohibited within the Constitution.

Are all attorneys anti-gun these days?
 

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Domestic Abuse Law

It's being challenged as we speak. God only know's how long it will take. The retroactive punishment is as unconstitutional as it get's. It's like saying we fined you $100.00 for speeding 5 years ago, but now we need to punish you some more, so ante up another $100.00. Ridiculous.
 

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u r a LIAR,punk. I've NEVER claimed to

have served in Nam. I left Oakland with orders for "RVN", in Feb of 1972, but while on TDY in okinawa, was diverted to Korea. So learn to READ, punk. You don't know jack <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> about special parole. It was lifted off of guys convicted of CONSPIRACY to distribute drugs, if they had over a kilo, but it was left on guys who had less, or who had possesion with intent cases.
 

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Re: u r a LIAR,punk. I've NEVER claimed to

223 fan said:
have served in Nam. I left Oakland with orders for "RVN", in Feb of 1972, but while on TDY in okinawa, was diverted to Korea. So learn to READ, punk. You don't know jack <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> about special parole. It was lifted off of guys convicted of CONSPIRACY to distribute drugs, if they had over a kilo, but it was left on guys who had less, or who had possesion with intent cases.
Are you sure? you've been caught lying so many times now, why should anyone beleive you?

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Re: so who was born in 59, dumbass? I

223 fan said:
was born in 1952, and have NEVER claimed to serve in Nam. Also, dummy, I served 13 years in prison, so SHOVE your ignorant "calculations. I started the "regular parole after serving 9 years, was convicted and sentenced in 1986. The regular parole was running as I served a "new law" sentence for escape, and it also "ran" during my 2 year violation for supervised release. They didn't bother to stop the parole, because I had this 10 year Special Parole to follow it, dummy. So, you are revealed as being one IGNORANT jerk on this, just like you are about nearly everything else.
How many sentence computations have you done? My good friend, who is a Legal Instruments Examiner, (sentence computations expert) for the Department Of Justice, Bureau of Prisons, say's your lying through your teeth. If you are sentenced under old law, you remain under old law unless you commit a new offense. (catch a new beef in convict talk) I don't know what you are, but I know you are not under old law parole.
 

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Re: u r a LIAR,punk. I've NEVER claimed to

223 fan said:
have served in Nam. I left Oakland with orders for "RVN", in Feb of 1972, but while on TDY in okinawa, was diverted to Korea. So learn to READ, punk. You don't know jack <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> about special parole. It was lifted off of guys convicted of CONSPIRACY to distribute drugs, if they had over a kilo, but it was left on guys who had less, or who had possesion with intent cases.
I happen to know quite a bit about Special Parole Terms and quantity laws and Possession with intent to distribute. It was my job for twenty three years. I see you have the convict mentality of listening to prison lawyers and getting foul mouthed to anyone in authority. We called your kind "Cell Warriors" , brave as can be in their safe little cells, but not real brave outside of them. I really pity you. You have to make up a life that you never had; Military experience is fabricated, your firearms knowledge is bizarre, (a miss with a .44 Magnum is better than a hit with a .22 yes, he said that)) and you seem to be about to break into tears at any moment. You did claim to have served in Viet Nam in a forum you were kicked out of. I'm still waiting for your Federal Register Number.
 
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