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This is the USA, land of 300,000,000+ firearms. We have more guns than people. ANYONE who wants to get a gun can get one, usually with little to no problem. That's just a fact of life.

Why do you think so many outlaw bikers keep a chick around (aside from the casual sex)? Many of the men have a felony convictions and most of the women don't. The woman is carrying the weapon.

It's a big country and since they are handing out felonies like speeding tickets nowadays, there are too many 'felons' to check in on with the manpower available.

The number of 'felons' who scoff at the 1968 Gun Control Act statutes which keep them from legally owning a gun, is vast. It's usually easiest for them to get away with it if they have a woman they live with who has a clean record.

The Federal statutes are used as a weapon when necessary to crucify people in court, but for the most part, it seems at best to be a minor inconvenience for those whom it is supposed to effect in practical life.

Everyone acknowledges that Gun Control never works for any other segment of society, so why should it work for such a substantial cross-section of the population just because they have the artificially created limitation of a negative mark against them in a file someplace?

That is one of the things that causes societies to start coming unglued.

You see, the 'law' is basically just words on paper. The 'law' only works because most of the people obey it voluntarily. There is not enough enforcers to force EVERYONE to obey the 'law'.

When too many people start disobeying the law, the law eventually ceases to have meaning and the institutions it props up begin to fail.

This is what Gandhi did to finally break the back of British rule in India, a move which helped cause the entire British Empire to rapidly unravel. It is a tactic which governments and power control freaks worldwide still fear because once it gets rolling, even slowly, it's almost impossible to stop.

Some modern statists and power control freaks, like many of those in the US Government, seem to have forgotten that lesson, and they are making the mistake that if they just keep upping the penalties for violating their paper statutes, the law will simply be obeyed out of fear. That NEVER works in the long run.

When the law becomes too draconian for too many people, and it's obvious that it's just a BS statute, people just start ignoring the law in larger and larger numbers, especially when it dawns on everyone that there isn't enough enforcers to make everyone obey the law.

Once one law is treated like that, treating others like it becomes easier and easier.

After a while, the 'law' has made itself a joke and people just casually do as they please in unenforceable numbers. Societies at this point become turbulent and change is inevitable; usually soon to arrive and often with violence.
 

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Bastiat said nearly all of that, in 1800's

but then, very few here are anything like properly educated.
 

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Re: Bastiat said nearly all of that, in 1800's

andy said:
but then, very few here are anything like properly educated.
Speak for yourself GK. While most of the folks I've met don't have classical educations, all are pretty well informed and have plenty of common sense. Many of our young people are disappointments but a lot of that is their own fault and the fault of the public school system.

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I wasin charge of training over 60 workers

,over a period of 6 months or so, a few at a time, at a telemarketing place. Not ONE of the job-applicants could read an entire paragraph, and NOT either put in something that wasn't THERE,or else they left out words that WERE on the page of our "pitch-sheet". All were between 20-40 years of age,most were female, 1997
 

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I don't think that the fact that the majority were female has any bearing but the fact that they were trying to work as telemarketers says a lot. Telemarketing is a job that is right at the bottom along with flipping hamburgers at Wendys. Anybody with half a brain who isn't truly desperate wouldn't even think of applying for that position.

Your example is totally unrealistic.

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Good post Mrostov

NC is about to pass a law requiring children under 8 years or 80 lbs. to be in a booster seat. They interviewed the dufus who proposed the law a couple of weeks ago on a local talk radio show. He said there are 49 deaths each year of children due to improper positioned seat belts, and "they" predict 50% of these can be prevented with booster seats. In the first place, this is pure speculation.

I also suspect fatalities would be greatly reduced if every passenger had a custom fitted seat with a race harness and wore a helment. So I guess the state should use it's legislative power to require that .:mad: I am getting so fed up with these BS laws and governmental intrusion into my life I could just spit.

This law was so blatantly stupid and tyrannical, I didn't think it would ever pass, but it is on the verge of becomming law.

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> and the fault of the public school system.

No, the public school system was NEVER designed to educate our children, so it is failing at a goal it was never meant to reach. OUR system was designed to TRAIN and CONDITION kids to work as groups, and NOT to be educated. Look into the history of the system and you'll be shocked.

Since it began, literacy has been going down. I would rather a whole NEW system than a new "fix" to the one that was never meant to work.
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if u have a good product, or r just doing

surveys, a hustling telemarketer can make $12 an hour, or a bit more, which is DOUBLE what the fast food bastards pay their help. Plus you dont have to be on your feet for 8-10 hours straight, among other things.
 

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WOW! a whole $12.00 AN HOUR !!!!!
 

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Back to the original post in this thread, how many bs laws can you think of that conviction will result in a felony record?

I saw in a motel a notice that claimed that stealing a fire extinguisher is a felony.

Walking along the streets of Orlando, I saw a notice that claimed that trespassing in a parking garage that is a construction site is a felony.

Felonies? Boy, those are pretty severe crimes, aren't they?

So the game plan is pretty obvious. Originally felony convictions were reserved for the worst offenses. Ones that were obviously violent or severe enough that they deserved a higher level of punishment for violators. And, of course, taking away the right of a felon to ever own a firearm was a step that would be nearly universally acceptable to US citizens. Few people would oppose a law that strips away the rights of a felon. After all, it's for our own protection, isn't it?

Once that is in place, then all the government needs to do is to broaden the definition of what constitutes a felony. So we have a widening circle of social events that will trigger the removal of basic constitutional rights from the perpetrator. In effect, the government has a very fluid definition of a category of offenses that can be used to do what they cannot do via other means. And then they already have on the books at least one law that is blatantly ex post facto. So they obviously can make past minor infractions into being defined as felonies, at will.

Aren't you going to be pissed when you find that the incident you had when you were 16 years old and got caught running a red light is legal cause to have your guns taken away NOW?
 

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I read that Lee Fastow (wife of Enron CFO Andrew Fastow) began her prison sentence yesterday for an income tax crime. One year in Federal prison - that makes her a felon. Yeah, she was extremely lucky/rich and had a great lawyer and I don't feel at all sorry for her. Still, she is a felon and will live with that all her life just because of a paper crime.

Things have gotten way out of hand.

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In order help the abortion "doctor$" murder babies unmolested, Clinton made it a felony to block the entrance to or trespass on the property of an abortion clinic.
 

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Women have the right to choice what happens to their bodies. Men don't have the right to input unless they are intimately involved in the circumstances.
 

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Magnum88C said:
Agreed, but do not have the right of choice of what happens to OTHER'S bodies. The fetus is its "own body", as it produces it's own blood and only get nutrients and oxygen from the mother. We may have to agree to disagree on this one, but no one has the right to kill another human out of convenience.
Three things I'd like to bring up now. One, some people need killing, so maybe in some situations it is OK to kill for inconvieniencing me....lol. Two, no person has a right to be a parasite on another human being, either, if you want to look at it the way YOU described it. (Which is less gross that the image of a modern crusade with blood on mechanical treads.) Three, this isn't whendoesaneggorspermbecomeahumanlocker.com, so my opinions on aborton don't belong here. Sorry I put them, but I saw a misplaced soapbox and I just like to step up and see how you taller people out there see the world. :)
 

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Agreed, this is too delicate a topic for this forum.
 

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without getting on the whole soapbox thing. I think the real problem is that too many things that should require a lot of thought and responsibility have been turned into minor inconveniences.

Accidently get pregnant? no problem, just have an abortion. So you lose a couple of hours out of your busy schedule. who cares. It's simple and easy.

It's too easy, too simple and too convenient. And we wonder why people like melvin have such little regard for human life?

rant off.

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