[Glenn Bartley]

These are a good thing to pracice for the times when an unarmed assailent attempts to take away your firearm. I have had a few peoploe try, but they were never succcesful at it. One did manage to bite my arm on the bicep when he realized he wasn't getting the gun. He got a good and quite legal whooping for that. Basically it was a combination of unarmed techniques, retention techniques and a bit of martial arts that saved me in that case.

Another time it was five (5) assailants at once who tried to get it from me. To this day I am not exactly sure how I held onto except that I fought like I knew my life depended upon it. Whatever I did, I did it right and it saved my life. My guess is that if I had not been trained in firearms retention I would not be here today.

I put this in this forum because when retaining your firearm you are in essence involved in hand to hand combat.

Best regards,
Glenn B

 

[RIKA]

Somehow I don't think that gunclod would fight too hard if a man tried to stick his hand into gc's pocket.

Seriously Glenn, this is an excellent topic that bears discussion. I know little about it so will be eagerly reading replies.

RIKA

 

[SatCong]

We used to train a technique where you pilled the drawn weapon in close to your body and then wisted your whole body away from the threat, works with a PR-24 too. But if 5 were on me, I'd be <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>ting pickles!
SatCong

 

[SatCong]

uh,... "pulled" the drawn weapon...
SatCong

 

[Aslan]

There was a guy that used to raise his weak arm so that the elbow would be pointing forward. He thought he'd be able to strike and attacker or defend against a knife strike.

We got hold of a mock glock (practice gun) and I showed him a few ways that would easily defeat his idea of using the weak hand that way.

I started to describe one of the techniques I used, but it started sounding too much like you know who...

:devil:

 

[DJetAce]

Lindle method is one. It's a very good system. There are others but gunkid does not need any knowledge of it. Besides, he will claim he invented it and was able to disarm 30 dogs and cats with it.

 

[andy]

this stuff is mostly bs.I mean, you were ALREADY so slow, inept and stupid as to let an enemy grab your gun, or be close enough to do so, and now you are going to use your superb"ability" to get BACK in control,right? Wrong.

 

[DJetAce]

Stup*kid, you don't have a clue even what the Lindle method is. Unless you live where no one can get close to you, you always run the risk of someone attempting a gun snatch. Of course since you cannot even posess a gun, there really isn't any reason for you to learn these things.

 

[SatCong]

Squirtgun you really are the consumate asshole.
SatCong

 

[RIKA]

He gets kinda p!ssy when people who know things talk above his head. Wonder how he'll work his M21 Beretta into this conversation. Its the "ungrabbable gun" you know.

RIKA

 

[andy]

can't face the TRUTH about things,eh? The FACT is,someone swift and skilled enough to get BACK a gun is someone who'd never have lost the advantage in the first place.

 

[SatCong]

Well, as a matter of personal and observed experiences, YOU HAVE NO IDEA how different factors affect a situation until YOU HAVE BEEN THERE! It happens more often than the uninitiated think and in more ways than you can imagine. That is why it was part of Shore Patrol training over thirty years ago, and why knowledgible instructors still teach it. It may not be the man yo have cornered, it could be his buddy on the fringe of the situation who you do not know, it could be a third party thinking he is doing the "right" thing, it could be some power hungry crazy hoping to impress anyone there or just hungry for drama or a beat down. It could happen a thousand ways no one has conceived. So, no matter how trained/quick/hip/situationally aware you are, it can happen to you and, by odds, will happen if you do the job long enough. 223, your lack of real world info is glaringly apparent when you speak in terms of absolutes glommed from obscure, outdated sources with no grounding in the reality of actually doing it. You will be stronger when you acknowledge that you know what you do not know.
SatCong

 

[Aslan]

can't face the TRUTH about things,eh? The FACT is,someone swift and skilled enough to get BACK a gun is someone who'd never have lost the advantage in the first place.

Until it happens it is not a fact. You are spouting crap that is well, crap. You are making sweeping generalizations, in the form of an insult, but you can't even comprehend that all scenarios are not the ones you bank on happeneing.

You lose the advantage (not that you ever had one) with each pist you make like this. All this is, is an attempt by you to hurl insults to deflect the truth.

:devil:

 

[Ratsinthegravyredux]

Basic weapon retention & recovery skills should vbe considered MANDATORY skillsets for anyone who carries a weapon. Simple, aggressive techniques, ruthlessly applied have the greatest likelihood of working.

Lindell was great, in it's time, but it is a fairly complex system. I prefer a less diagnostic program such as that taught by Insights or SouthNarc.

 

[Hasher]

Ther eare some great techniques. I am in instructor for Lindel but it ha s alot fo different techniques. I sort of prefer the ones that use a couple of basic Lindel techniques applied across the board. The one advantage of lindell is it works for the bambi vs godzilla encounter.

However gunwank has never heard or practiced andy of these techniques so he wouldn't really know.

 

[whytepizza]

Gun retention is incredibly important. In Iraq as we walked around i always had my rifle and my pistol at my thigh. People would always try to grab it. I'm walking around with a bolt action rifle they would assume i would not have enough time to react. Needless to say i never needed to obtain my pistol back from anyone but my own guys. I relied on my MA experience to preemptively stop them from even the attempt.
In NJ i can only imagine how hard it is for a cop to keep ahold of his gun. People here can be idiots and this is one of the most populated areas of the world. I walked into Rutgers the other day and i swear met every Indian that was brought here as a refugee after the tsunami. When you're crowded around alot of people and cannot keep the pistol in your hand all the time it's easy for ANYONE to take or attempt to take a pistol.
Even when i did security at Newark Airport it would have been very easy for someone to attempt to take my pistol, on busy travel days. It's always a possibility to happen and must be treated as such. Dutch and Australian troops train just in retention as a way to preserve their life. they think of it as just as important and h-t-h.