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M14 for over 40 years. Wake up and smell the coffee. All troops CARRY rifles, ammo, a LOT more than they shoot them, they fire THOUSANDS of rds for every hit that they get, and hit 10 for everyone that's a SOLID, LETHAL hit,too. Most hits are random accidents, just as likely to be the ear or the finger or the foot or a "crease" as a solid hit to the torso or the head-neck. So weight and bulk of gun,mags,ammo, sights, are HUGE issues, even for those whom Uncle Sugar HAULS to battle in choppers and APCS, and who get HELP from planes,choppers, etc. You will be AFOOT, so wt, bulk, SILENCE mean a LOT more to you than they do to a soldier.US Soldiers don't have to forage,YOU WILL. So both the can and .22 unit have PRIMARY roles to the shtf survivalist. To think otherwise is to be an ignorant fool.
 

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Yes, very obsolete
 

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All of which are good reason to NOT go with the poodle popper. Soldiers don't HAVE to hunt, you do. Soldiers have big gun support, you don't. A soldier's rifle is not a big part of the picture, yours will be. So you NEED a better rifle than the average soldier does. Although, most of even the average soldiers DON'T like their poodle poppers, and want something more effective. Guess it's really the "new combat" philosophy of the 60's and 70-'s (where you're stuck) that's obsolete.
 

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"garand's been obsolete for nearly 50 years"

It sure is as long, as you are supported by LAV's and M1 Abram tanks with A10's providing close and artilery on call with F16's on station and have suppoting fire from MK19's, M58's and M49's.

However, if you are a lone rifleman or small group providing your own defence and need a weapon that will penetrate like a GP machine gun with enough range to keep the trained man at a ballistic advantage it will do all that needs to be done.

Get real slingshot boy :nyah:

Teuf,
 

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bs, it's STUPID to shoot at what you can't SEE, and doing so a lot just means you'll be out of ammo. The more you do stupid things, the MORE you need a suppressor, not less. U won't be up AGAINST APC'S, beltfeds, etc, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>. All you will be ABLE to do hide, mostly. Because you r stupid enough to stay in one PLACE, you THINK that you will "have" to be able to engage at long range, shoot thru stuff, etc. It would be better to be mobile, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>. Dangerous men will just slip up on you in the dark, and either press home an attack, or wait until the next days late afternoon to snipe you, at 200-300m, so they wont MISS. then they put a bullet into as many of your horses and cattle as they CAN, and go get lost for a few days. you will be so busy trying to save the meat that you will AGAIN be vulnerable to a night stalk.
 

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Let's see, the Garand is reliable, accurate, powerful and easy to shoot well.

Hmmm, isn't that what a rifle is supposed to be?
 
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