[glock101]

just wanted to know if there is a good gun for starters because i was thinking of getting into something knew becaue it does get boring of just shooting modern guns so i figured to come here and ask about this.

i also wnated to know if these kind of guns are hard to manage and if they are inconvenient to keep and shot.

thanks
brendan

 

[Smarter Gun]

Let Me Take A Shot At This One ...

:idea: Hello, Glock101!

There are a number of different ways to look at this subject. First, from a survivalist viewpoint there are certain advantages to keeping a flintlock rifle around. If you can't get conventional powder and primers, you can always make black powder and flint strikers. (Let's hope it never comes to this!)

Second, I know a number of older hunters (like myself) who have come to believe strongly in the one-shot kill. (I guess we need the added challenge.) Then, along comes Thompson Center and gifts all black powder shooters with two of the best single shot platforms ever invented: the Encore pistol/rifle/shotgun, and the Omega Muzzleloading Rifle. One of my closest shooting partners, a man who owns several hundred top quality firearms (really) spends more than half his range and hunting time shooting these two single-shot platforms.

I am turning green with envy over that damned Encore! The reason I call it a shooting platform is because it does everything so very well: black powder; and conventional: rifle, pistol, and shotgun. Very accurate, very reliable, as long as you can live with one shot at a time. About the only thing I not crazy about on the Encore is the fact that the rifle configurations tend to be a little muzzle heavy. The polymer stock could stand more weight in the rear end; but this is not a big deal, just my preference, and you can get wood stock sets if you want them.

You'll have your choice of, either, conventional smokeless powder, black powder or Pyrodex; and conical lead, sabot/bullet, or slug. If I could live my life in reverse, I'd empty out, at least, half of my gun locker and put a couple of Encore frames in there, instead. It might be a good idea if you take the time to familiarize yourself with the local hunting laws in your area before you pick out that muzzleloader. Here, in Pennsylvania, there are subtle variations in the game laws that favor one type of black powder rifle over another during different seasons.

Would I encourage you to get into muzzleloading? You bet I would! The black powder rifles out there today are, truly, 20th century, state-of-the-art, shooting wonders. Here's a couple of links:

http://www.tcarms.com/encrifle/index.html

http://www.tcarms.com/mlrifles/omega/index.html

For blackpowder hunting, here's one of the better websites for you to look at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Blackpowder_Hunting/

I hope this information helps you out. Best of luck and Happy Holidays! :santa:


- Arc Angel

 

[glock101]

thanks

thanks for the info about the guns it is very usefull thanks again
brendan

 

[andy]

since there's no bison herds anymore

the 70 grs of black powder loads are pretty silly. A .22 autoloading rifle is a lot more practical. You can brain a cow with one, and have jerky for a year. A 180 gr round ball, and 70 grs of powder, loose, drawing moisture, misfiring a lot, and a single shot is not my idea of efficiency. I'd greatly prefer a good, modern crossbow, and a dozen (fiberglass shaft) quarrels. For the same 250 grs as a flintlock load, you can have 5 rds of 40 gr .22lr, and up to a 30 rd mag, and 5 shots per second, if need be. The .22lr is lethal to 150 yds, from a rifle barrel, and that's every bit as much range as the flintlock offers.

There will be very little in the way of large game left, once millions of dog packs chase them everywhere, and millions of people shoot at them. You'd best learn how to make snares, boxtraps, fishtraps, gillnets, trotlines, and how to set and use them. A .22 can brain a cow, or get rid of some dogs. .22's weigh aboout 50 grs per round. There's 7000 grs in a lb. So it's really easy to carry, much less cache, many thousands of rounds.

 

[Unregistered]

No one asked about a doomsday gun.

 

[robert garner]

first blackpowder gun

You didnt stipulate as to rifle or pistol,rifle I would go with Lymans Great plains rifle.mines .54 but i hunt hogs if biggest game was deer .50 would suffice,for pistol Rugers "Old Army" Will perform very well as target / defense / coup de gras,would tho hesitate in its use as a hunting weapon. If interest is in guns of the old west or other re-enactment then the possibilities are limited only but your willingness to deplete your resources
robert in occupied Georgia

 

[Magnum88C]

The Lyman Great Plains rifle and Hunter are great guns, but a little on the pricey side. You can get a T/C Hawken for cheaper. I believe they use a 1-in-48 twist which is a compromise, not great with patched balls or bullets, but a good, cheap starter rifle, also in a traditional style. If you're ambitious, you can get hawken kits and build it yourself.

 

[RIKA]

I second for the kits. If you're careful and follow directions you can have a BP gun to be proud of.

RIKA

 

[andy]

FORGET the muzzleloader for shtf.

There AINT any bison herds anymore. The big game will all be gone within a month or 2 of shtf. making blackpowder for bombs is one thing, "granulating" it for decent performance in a firearm is quite another. It's VERY dangerous. Dupont and Pyrodex BOTH have blown up black powder plants, for instance. The HUGE amounts of black powder needed make it VERY inefficient. You can take livestock and deer with a .22 rifle, and it's dead flat EASY to carry 500 rds of .22lr, which will last you 20 years or more. The muzzleloader SUCKS when you have no solvents, or proper oils. EVERY time you fire it, you HAVE to wash it out with boiling water and soap, or it will corrode BADLY. That's a LOT of time you AINT got a gun ready. It's NOISY, short ranged, a single shot, and the smoke HIDES your target, and MARKS your location. VERY bad idea, when there's enemies around with auto rifles. A .22 rifle has the same effective range as a muzzleloader, really. so you can't outreach them, and they have rapidfire, scopes, concealability, etc.

If u are BORED, get an electronic shooting timer, and go FASTER with your hitting. There is no LIMIT, really, to how much better yo can get, if you use both rifle and pistol, and either hand-eye. You will NOT "max out" your ability with both, with either hand, I guarantee it. What black powder USUALLY means, you INTEND to wimp out and not FIGHT over the outlawing of autorifles.

 

[Aslan]

Re: FORGET the muzzleloader for shtf.

There AINT any bison herds anymore. The big game will all be gone within a month or 2 of shtf. making blackpowder for bombs is one thing, "granulating" it for decent performance in a firearm is quite another. It's VERY dangerous. Dupont and Pyrodex BOTH have blown up black powder plants, for instance. The HUGE amounts of black powder needed make it VERY inefficient. You can take livestock and deer with a .22 rifle, and it's dead flat EASY to carry 500 rds of .22lr, which will last you 20 years or more. The muzzleloader SUCKS when you have no solvents, or proper oils. EVERY time you fire it, you HAVE to wash it out with boiling water and soap, or it will corrode BADLY. That's a LOT of time you AINT got a gun ready. It's NOISY, short ranged, a single shot, and the smoke HIDES your target, and MARKS your location. VERY bad idea, when there's enemies around with auto rifles. A .22 rifle has the same effective range as a muzzleloader, really. so you can't outreach them, and they have rapidfire, scopes, concealability, etc.

If u are BORED, get an electronic shooting timer, and go FASTER with your hitting. There is no LIMIT, really, to how much better yo can get, if you use both rifle and pistol, and either hand-eye. You will NOT "max out" your ability with both, with either hand, I guarantee it. What black powder USUALLY means, you INTEND to wimp out and not FIGHT over the outlawing of autorifles.

That's funny, as I applied for a buffalo permit again this year - maybe I should let game and fish know that there aren't any buffalo...

But then again, you are too ignorant to allow for that fact that all shooting isn't about shtf, sometimes it's for recreation.

I realize you pissed away your ability to legally enjoy recreational shooting, but you made your choices and have to live with the consequences of such.

Don't try to rationalize by saying we all break the law, etc. You chose to BLATANTLY break several laws, including dealing drugs, ilegal machine guns, and fugitive flight.

Big difference from some one who accidently breaks some obscure law.

Get a clue, then work on getting a life.

:devil:

 

[Half elf]

My personal starter kit is a CVA Mountain rifle, I found them from Bass Pro Shops for 70.00$ on line. If you get the .54cal try 70grs of FFFg or pyrodex. To work up your best load start out at 50grs add 5gr. at a time unitl there is sprks in the smoke. This is when the powder isnt all burning in the barrel. If you use FFGg instead of FFg remember that the powder will be burnt faster due to smaller size(more surface area) . I found that a round ball works just fine out to 100yds, and cost about half of what the specialty balls cost.
Have A Nice Day, Inspite Of It All

 

[andy]

u r a <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> who doesn't dare stand up

for his second amendment rights. Not everyone is such a wuss, you know. all it takes, to be perfectly safe, is a "spare" ID, even at a public range,dummy. yeah, there's enough buffalo that they'd feed about .1 of 1% of the population, about a week. big deal, dummy. Most will just rot, because the shooters won't know HOW to jerk the meat, or will get shot before they can complete the task.

 

[Half elf]

Are you as stupid as these posts make you sound?. The question was about black powder weapons, which wouldnnt work with a "Can", .22 adapter kit, or extended magazine. This is a informational forum would you please do me a personal favor. Pull your bottom lip over your head, and swallow. :bomb:
Have A Nice Day, Inspite Of It All

 

[andy]

<font color=red>[**censored**]</font> your NECK, punk. I just pointed out

that those WORTH saving, are getting ready to FIGHT over gun rights, not getting ready to GIVE UP first the autoloaders, then ALL repeaters, then ALL cartridge guns. Why dont you go play tennis, since you are NOT one of the fighters, hmm?

 

[RIKA]

Sorry tard, I own 4 blackpowder guns. 2 revolvers and 2 rifles. These old guns are great fun and I enjoy shooting them sometimes. You really need to check into it. I understand that even ex-cons can sometimes own them although I don't know about the federal level.

RIKA

 

[Pustic]

just wanted to know if there is a good gun for starters because i was thinking of getting into something knew becaue it does get boring of just shooting modern guns so i figured to come here and ask about this.

i also wnated to know if these kind of guns are hard to manage and if they are inconvenient to keep and shot.

thanks
brendan

Well, if you want to shoot handguns then I recommend getting an 1858 Remington .44 cal New Army Revolver. They are fun to shoot and very accurate. For a long gun, get a Kentucky Rifle.