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dull broadheads, and/or poor hits. missed the brain with the .44, or she'd have dropped like a rock. Hitting brain, from inside mouth, with a 9mm,would also have dropped her. Faster repeat hit with 9mm might also have dropped her, after a first poor hit, like the .44 got. Naturally, no such repeat hit was possible with the lame assed .44, and they were LUCKY all she did was flee. No, a grizzly is NOT as fast as a horse, he just didn't have enough experience and cool headedness to be able to rationally compare the 2 animals. The grizzly IS a bit faster "out of the hole" than most horses, but top speed is about the same, at 40 mph, 60 fps.
 

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Have you actually ever seen anyone or anything shot in the brain. I have. I have seen brain shot animals go down immediately, and seen some continue on for quite a distance with dead shot accuracy to center mass of the brain. Once upon a time, I also worked in a hospital on the security staff and was assigned to watch a patient who had been shot. I saw his x-rays; he had been shot in the head at very closel range with a fairly large caliber handgun, one shot (looked to me like a 45). The bullet split in two, piece of it more or less traveling directly back and staying in about the center of his brain, the other fragment (really about 1/2 the bullet) traveled into the stem at the base of the brain. I worked at least 8 hours in the ER that day watching this guy and it may have been a 10 hour shift. During that time this man was fully, I repeat fully, cognizant of what was going on around him. At one point he began to scream in Spanish at me. I told him I did not understand Spanish and he immediately switched to English begging me to get a doctor to help him, and telling me of his pain. He was crying becuase to him it seemed as if no one would help. He had already been in the ER for hours at that point, and he was right, basically no one was treating him. The ER staff had no knowledge of what to do to help him, they had called on experts to assist, and the experts were in route but not there already. So he lay there on the hospital bed in the ER because they had stabilized him and no available doctor in NYC would operate on him. One expert was called back from a skiing trip in Switzerland but it would be almost a 1/2 day before he arrived.

I do not remember for sure what hapened to this man. I stopped working there very soon afterwards, but if memory serves me right he did die becuase of the injuries. The thing is though that he was alive for all of my shift. So no, brain shots and other traumatic and catastrophic brain injuries do not always kill instantly, nor do they even always kill. There are numerous records of traumatic brain injuries from which the victims survived.

As to the 44 for a backup in bear country, that was a good choice. You would, in my opinion, have to be nuts to carry a 9mm expecting to use it against a Grizzly Bear. You would, also in my opinion, have to be a bit looney to expect that you would get a shot directly into the open mouth of such a bear with that 9mm - really far out looney. I hope you are not suggesting such because as much as we disagree I never really thought you were bonkers.
Of course chances are if you shoot an animal in the brain it will go down, but don't bet on it when your life is at stake. Keep shooting till the threat has passed.
 

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u shoot twice with a .44, I'll shoot 6 times with a 9mm, SAME 1 second elapsed) and we'll SEE who has the best odds of braining a bear. You are STUPID to consider that bears are more likely to be a threat than men, that men aren't 100x as dangerous, and that you are any SORT of ready to handle men with nothing but a silly assed .44. I've already SAID that insects are FAR deadlier and more common attackers than bears. Guys like you are SO fos about bears and .44's,you make me want to puke. Unprovoked bear attacks number in the SMALL teens in the US each year, and the resulting deaths number on ONE HAND.
 

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The guy was out bear hunting not man hunting. The 44 would have been sufficient to do the job on a bear or an escaped lunatic from a psycho ward in a prison farm. Tell us about your escape (sorry to steal that line from someone else but now I see the light).

Now anytime you want to challenge me to that bear shoot thing and are willing to stick your hand (unprotected) in a raging Grizzly Bear's mouth to make your point (just as this guy shot the bear), then I am game for it as long as you go first. Man you posts are getting lamer and lamer - are you that despearate for attention?
 

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I also tell you what, you aim for the brain with a 9mm, and aim right at the bear's forehead as it charges you. I give you all 15 rounds in a mag - but you are not likely to get a brain shot.
 

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You would be a lunatic to take on a Grizzly Bear with a 9MM pistol. Brain shots? You would only anger it. Your time would be better off climbing a tree than popping off with a nine. Oh, you might get lucky, but my money would be on the bear. Minimum 30/06 180 grains, or .44 Magnum solids. That's half a ton of bear out there, not a poodle.
 

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We have to remember :crazy1:who:crazy1: it is that is telling us it would be better to try it with a nine millimeter poodle popper! :bird: :crazy1:
 

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I spend lot of time in grizzly bear management areas. In fact, my snowmobiling buddy and fellow IPSC shooter is the firearms trainer for our state bear team (Wyoming). Our guys pack a 629 stoked with Randy Garrett's bear pills for last ditch defense when handling bears. The first choice is a .338 Win Mag followed by a 12 gauge with slugs. Bear spray is also issued.

FWIW guys, no one has ever been prosecuted for shooting a bear in the front, lol. Bears are becoming a real pain in the neck and it's a shame how they have reduced recreational opportunities. I wish we could delist the critters and sell grizzly bear licenses.

Let me guess, 223 is also andy, aka gun kid?
 

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Strangely, I hadn't read this thread before.

In the future, when someone starts disparaging my carry choice of a glock 9mm with +P+ ammo, I'll be comforted to know that it's been declared sufficient for defensive use against even bear.

That's good information to have.
 

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John in AR said:
Strangely, I hadn't read this thread before.

In the future, when someone starts disparaging my carry choice of a glock 9mm with +P+ ammo, I'll be comforted to know that it's been declared sufficient for defensive use against even bear.

That's good information to have.
Now don't get comfortable yet, John. A couple of months ago the .44 Magnum was the end all be all of firearms for man and beast. Even for concealed carry the six inch .44 Magnum was the way to go. Just as soon as you get comfortable with your 9MM, you'll sure as hell need a Phoenix ARms HP .22 for bear attacks. You just stick it in the bears rectum and keep yanking the trigger.
 

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Now don't get comfortable yet, John. A couple of months ago the .44 Magnum was the end all be all of firearms for man and beast. Even for concealed carry the six inch .44 Magnum was the way to go. Just as soon as you get comfortable with your 9MM, you'll sure as hell need a Phoenix ARms HP .22 for bear attacks. You just stick it in the bears rectum and keep yanking the trigger.
Just be sure to have it dehorned, including removeing the sights, as the bears have a tendency to stick poodle guns up your rectum. . .:dgrin:
 

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Just be sure to have it dehorned, including removeing the sights, as the bears have a tendency to stick poodle guns up your rectum. . .:dgrin:
Ouch.

Anyone remember the punchline, "You don't really come here for the hunting, do you?"...? :cool:




Actually, I have an HP22; bought it a year or so ago to play around with. For the price ($150-180 or so, iirc), it's an ok, "play-around", low-use gun. I wouldn't expect it to last thousands of rounds.

Don't own a .44 magnum, as I don't like underpowered big-game revolvers. My .454 pushes a 240-grain bullet with over 2,000 ft/lbs of energy; that's my bear season handgun.

If I ever turn gay, paraplegic, or Democrat, I'll give the .44 magnum some consideration. :duck:
 

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I only know 2 guys who have killed grizzleys in self defence, one had a 3030 Win, and he and the bear both died, the other had 7mm Rem .Mag and he emptied the gun twice and walked away shaking. I have shot things with small hand guns, 9mm, 38, forget it.
 

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:nuts: If you take a 9mm into the woods for bear protection, remember one thing. Remember to save that last bullet for yourself because that bear is going to tear you a new one and it won't be pretty. :kill:
 
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