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is why I say that the guns come first, along with real ability with them. The other stuff isn't under IMMINENT threat of being outlawed. The auto rifles ARE under such threat, and have been, for decades now. NO matter WHO wins the election, auto rifles are highly likely to be severely restricted. It might take Bush a year or two, Kerry only a month or two,but it will happen.
 

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Yes, there is constantly a move on by certain well funded people to outlaw them or at least restrict them. Personally, I don't think they'll successfully outright ban them nationwide before what's coming actually happens, which is a collapse of the dollar, followed by the worst depression ever, followed by WWIII and possibly another US civil war.

But, IMHO, it's a mistake to assume that you can focus 110% of your attention on guns and come SHTF you can just drive down to K-Mart and get the rest of your stuff and then have the skills and gear to live off the land.

If SHTF and you find yourself with no autorifle you'd had best be skilled enough to make do with what you have. Truth be told, you don't 100% NEED an autorifle. They give an advantage in many circumstances, but if you don't have one you'll need to re-think your tactics and planning.

Guns can shoot game, but they cannot fish, they cannot build shelter, they cannot trap, they cannot grow gardens, they cannot repair gear, they cannot protect you from the biting cold or the searing heat, etc.....

Guns, all in all, are just another tool, one of many. They are not meant to be the focus of one's life.

As for all of this 'other stuff', it may look real easy and simple when it's in the US Army Survival Manual or in one of the many primitive skills books, but in real life these are skills that need hands on practice.

A crisis, when those skills are needed for real, is no time to be learning the actual hands on and what gear works and what doesn't. There is a LOT to fieldcraft and living off the land that is instinctive finesse and just plain experience that a book a lone cannot impart. The book needs to be in your mind, more than your pack.
 
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I agree, in shift I beleave a good knife, lots of rope, medical,......etc......etc

guns are tools, many of them hold sentimental value. but they are still tools.

with only a gun you probly wont starve, but you might freeze to death, get lost ,etc.....ect..

all in all imho guns a very necicary part to a shift kit, not not the only.
peace be with yall
 
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Any quality firearm can be used in a survival situation if used within its limitations. To limit yoursself to a specific type or model, limits you to requiring a crutch to survive!

Gunkid, give us a detailed kit list of what you have packed and ready to go AT THIS MINUTE. Then we can discuss the pros and cons of each of our kits.
By avoiding answering this request, gives everyone the impression that you actually are a wannabe, who has nothing packed.
 

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Garand said:
Any quality firearm can be used in a survival situation if used within its limitations. To limit yoursself to a specific type or model, limits you to requiring a crutch to survive!

Gunkid, give us a detailed kit list of what you have packed and ready to go AT THIS MINUTE. Then we can discuss the pros and cons of each of our kits.
By avoiding answering this request, gives everyone the impression that you actually are a wannabe, who has nothing packed.
He's not going to respond, Garand. Even if he did it would be something he cobbled up from reading Field&Stream or some other magazine. He has no "kit" or firearms. You notice he never detailed his "escape" because there never was one. First it was the USP, then when I called him on that, it was the Terre Haute Camp, a minimum security facility. No fence, no armed patrols, one officer in charge of about 180 inmates. You get sent there while awaiting release. The food and living conditions are probably better than a large percentage of inner city people are used to. You would have to be a total IDIOT to escape (walk away) from a camp. It would only get you more time and transfer to a higher security institution. An escape is against the law, not a prison regulation. You have to be tried and convicted by a jury of your peers. No record of this whatsoever in John-boy's jacket. Maybe he made himself invisible and then re-appeared at the camp so they couldn't charge him.
 

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A gun is one important tool. An autorifle is an advantage. Which is probably why most beginning survivalists pick up an SKS, stripper clips and a sh!tload of ammo. Because it's cheap, powerful enough, and gets the job done. They then go out and get "that other stuff", and maybe upgrade their weapon after their other survival needs are met.
 
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