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sniping in Nam, and QUITE a few of his hits were NOT at great ranges, either. :) MISSES are commonplace with sniping, and so are POOR hits. When the target MUST be immobilized instantly, as in hostage-holders, and SWAT snipers, they get inside 100m,and TRY for 25m, because they MUST hit the "lizard brain", in order to be SURE of instantly immobilizing the man. That target is about a 2" diameter circle, and can call for penetration all the way from the front of the face, fighting thru a lot of bone, which can deflect a bullet quite a bit. SWAT snipers also often have to shoot thru glass in order to score a hit, and glass both deflects all bullets, (sometimes a lot, depending upon the angle of the shot to the glass, and the type of glass) and the glass ALSO refracts light, causes glare, etc, which can easily mean that the image that you see is NOT where the target actually IS. Furthermore, hostage holders MOVE a lot, and are often AWARE that they are likely to be in the crosshairs of a Swat sniper. add up all these likely problems, and you's want the sniper to be a mere 25m away, too, in bipod, if someone dear to you was the hostage.
 

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dude,if your :square:eek:n facing

the 'threat' the adams apple/larinyx is the 'HIT' that will send the whole 2" 'lizard' brain 'FLYING' [HYPER.30 CAL]





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sniping in Nam, and QUITE a few of his hits were NOT at great ranges, either. :) MISSES are commonplace with sniping, and so are POOR hits. When the target MUST be immobilized instantly, as in hostage-holders, and SWAT snipers, they get inside 100m,and TRY for 25m, because they MUST hit the "lizard brain", in order to be SURE of instantly immobilizing the man. That target is about a 2" diameter circle, and can call for penetration all the way from the front of the face, fighting thru a lot of bone, which can deflect a bullet quite a bit. SWAT snipers also often have to shoot thru glass in order to score a hit, and glass both deflects all bullets, (sometimes a lot, depending upon the angle of the shot to the glass, and the type of glass) and the glass ALSO refracts light, causes glare, etc, which can easily mean that the image that you see is NOT where the target actually IS. Furthermore, hostage holders MOVE a lot, and are often AWARE that they are likely to be in the crosshairs of a Swat sniper. add up all these likely problems, and you's want the sniper to be a mere 25m away, too, in bipod, if someone dear to you was the hostage.
Too bad you were not with Sgt. Hathcock, I'm sure you would have been a better shot.
 

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Hathcock also used an essentially factory Winchester Model 70 for a lot of his sniping. The M40 is an entirely different animal. Hathcock himself also said that the more modern snipers trained formally (he was busting a lot of trial remember, things he came up with were LATER taught, he had to make most of it up as he went), would probably have eaten his lunch.

Great shot, and more importantly, great man that he was, DEFINED a lot of what military sniping is all about, and to do that he had to see what worked and what didn't. Keep in mind also, that just because he had the most CONFIRMED KILLS, doesn't mean he had the most kills of any sniper. Although IIRC, they estimate his total kill count was more like 700+.
 

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Magnum88C hit it on the head. Hathcock was a trail blazer in modern sniping. He didn't have nearly 99% of what modern snipers have today. He didn't have a repeatable ranging system, he didn't have a custom made rifle for the job, etc.

Knowing this, his feats and the feats of his contemporaries of the time are that much more impressive.

Today's snipers employ things like mildot scopes, night vision, thermal vision, custom rifles for optimum accuracy, better ammunition, better training, etc.

Mike
 
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