[andy]

saves u at LEAST 1/4 second on the draw and hit time, and for awkward clowns like garnad, it saves them an entire 3/4 of a second. Taking that much off of his 1.6 second time to react, draw and hit(at arm'slength range, would make garnad ALMOST as fast as I am at that range (if I used a ccw'd belt rig)

 

[Garand]

Please post proof of my timings, some sort of link, etc? Please post independent verification of your timings in the last 24 months. What happened 30 years ago, was 30 years ago!

 

[Hard Rock]

Tard, this is a gun website, not a pocket pool website.

Mike

 

[Teufelhund]

It sure is!

saves u at LEAST 1/4 second on the draw and hit time, and for awkward clowns like garnad, it saves them an entire 3/4 of a second. Taking that much off of his 1.6 second time to react, draw and hit(at arm'slength range, would make garnad ALMOST as fast as I am at that range (if I used a ccw'd belt rig)

The rub comes in always have to keep your hand in your pocket, it may work for you but folks pay me quite a bit and expect me to use both my hands.

Teuf,

 

[andy]

if u have your head so far up your butt that you can't SEE trouble coming, in time to spare the 3/4 second necessary to GET hand in pocket, then a belt rig isn't going to help you any, either. In the 2.5 seconds garnad would need to react, clear a fastened winter coat, clear a sport jacket, draw and hit a guy's chest at 5 yds, I can react, charge, and twist his head CLEAR around.

 

[RIKA]

In the 2.5 seconds garnad would need to react, clear a fastened winter coat, clear a sport jacket, draw and hit a guy's chest at 5 yds, I can react, charge, and twist his head CLEAR around.

Poor Teddy takes quite a beating during your practice sessions. Bet you wouldn't dare try that on a live human being cuz they fight back. How do you come up with Garand's times anyway?

RIKA

 

[Guest]

if u have your head so far up your butt that you can't SEE trouble coming, in time to spare the 3/4 second necessary to GET hand in pocket, then a belt rig isn't going to help you any, either. In the 2.5 seconds garnad would need to react, clear a fastened winter coat, clear a sport jacket, draw and hit a guy's chest at 5 yds, I can react, charge, and twist his head CLEAR around.

If you see trouble coming, you won't need no 3/4 second extra. You will have plenty of time to do any number of things. And if you don't see trouble coming, nothing will help as you will be well behind the curve.

But I tell you what, you get stopped by some cop, and you start putting your hand in your pocket, that cop will just shoot you dead. There are several well know incidences where cops did just that. Gun in pocket or no, they will kill you and I can't blame them. They have always told people when stopped by cops to keep their hands in plain sight.

You best do that, cause after you brag at the bars about the person you killed, the cops will find out and come for you. I know you just can't help you self to blab and brag, and that is what will do you in. That and you will leave just a tiny bit of evidence that, along with your bragging, will tie you to the crime.

 

[Garand]

If your smart enough to see trouble coming after the balloon goes up, your smart enough to have a gun in your hand!

 

[John in AR]

FWIW, (and pissing contest aside), I do agree that a gun in the hand is better than one in the holster if problems present themselves.

I often do just that with my little ("POS") .32auto; especially when on duty. It rides in a Galco pocket holster in my front left (off-hand) pocket. When standing talking to folks, I'll often have my hand on it; keeps people much calmer and relaxed than if I kept my right hand near my belt gun. They don't get nervous, the gun's literally in my hand, and it doesn't scare the sheep.

Bear in mind, this is a little gun, in a fairly big pocket. Doing the same with my Glock 26 is physically possible, but much less discreet.

 

[andy]

that's right. The problem is, tho, u aint GOT a gun in your hand.

 

[andy]

i dont drink, dumbass, never have.

 

[Teufelhund]

My experiences as well John

FWIW, (and pissing contest aside), I do agree that a gun in the hand is better than one in the holster if problems present themselves.

I often do just that with my little ("POS") .32auto; especially when on duty. It rides in a Galco pocket holster in my front left (off-hand) pocket. When standing talking to folks, I'll often have my hand on it; keeps people much calmer and relaxed than if I kept my right hand near my belt gun. They don't get nervous, the gun's literally in my hand, and it doesn't scare the sheep.

Bear in mind, this is a little gun, in a fairly big pocket. Doing the same with my Glock 26 is physically possible, but much less discreet.

The G26 is not really a pocket pistol but it's as small as I care to go. Handgun size aside, pocket carry is a part time handgun, that requires specific circumstances to be useful.

That takes pocket carry right out of the general purpose conceil carry mode for me. I want to be able to get to my carry gun under most all circumstances and don't want to depend on my hand being in my pocket to be swift.

Teuf,

 

[andy]

There are FAR better pocket guns than a Glock will ever be, and carrying a mere 9mm in a BELT rig is silly. You can have a REAL gun in a belt rig. I'm faster, hands at sides, front pants pocket rig, than is virtually any C class shottist, with a ccw belt rig, and practical concealment. That is, a FASTENED coat, or a shirt over the gun and rig. U r just stupid enough to "think" that a really fast draw is the end-game, and you have no hand to hand ability, nor any fighting heart.

 

[Garand]

At least we aren't stupid enough to think that IPSC is reality, like some.

 

[Magnum88C]

I think he shot in dIPStiC, not IPSC.

 

[Garand]

Just in the foot :laugh01: :laugh01: :laugh01: