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http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/animal-products/sheep,-lamb-mutton/background.aspx

number of sheep in USA

number of cattle

http://www.cattlenetwork.com/advice-and-tips/cowcalf-producer/cattle-inventory-ranking-all-50-states

60 million pigs
http://www.statista.com/statistics/194371/top-10-us-states-by-number-of-hogs-and-pigs/

number of horses

http://www.theequestrianchannel.com/id3.html

number of goats

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=number of goats in the us

number of chickens

http://www.ansc.purdue.edu/faen/poultry facts.html

and you "think" that elk, moose and bear are what you need to provide the ability to take, if shtf? :) 223 softpoints take deer, pronghorn and wild hogs just fine, and the .22lr can do the job, too, inside 25 yds, with head shots and such critters CAN be baited in. Archers take pronghorns by using pit blinds, next to the only water source in many square miles.

22 rifle can drop horse, cattle, etc, with brain hits, and such critters will let you walk right up to them, especially at night. With your family's LIFE at stake, you'd go look for an elk or moose? :) if so, you're a JOKE, man.
 

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if my pov is incorrect, speak up, SHOW me how i"m wrong. You CANT, cause these ARE the numbers and the critters are NOT hiding in the woods, running 40 mph, etc. if shtf, you CAN jerk a year's supply of flesh food in a week or so, and use nothing more than a silenced .22lr autorifle. In fact, you could do it with a bola and a spear to finish off the critters after you down them. So much for the "value' of a 308 for shtf needs. :) so much for the shotgun, too.

If shtf, those critters ARE going to die, from lack of water, (no pumps, no electricity) from starving dog packs running them, from lack of feed, OTHER people poaching them, etc. If you'd let your family starve rather than just beat others to the (otherwise wasted) animals (and feed/grain). well, you're not much of a provider.
 

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average weight of deer


https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=average weight of a deer

no range of weight for whitetails! ? why? cause 150 lbs is NOT average, not by a long shot.

55 lbs of meat from a deer.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/answe...eat-do-you-get-out-deer-when-you-debone-it-le

30 million deer in US

http://www.actionbioscience.org/biodiversity/rooney.html

you'd need 4 lbs of venison per DAY if you are even half assed active.

https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-...deer-meat?portionid=48364&portionamount=1.000 and once they are being run by the dog packs, they will lose ANY fat that they have and if it's cold and shtf, you'll need more like 6 lbs of venison per day. So a deer will feed you for at best 10 days, if that's all you have for food. and there's MANY times more livestock than deer. and they are a LOT easier to catch. :)

there's 50 million each dogs and cats in the US, too. that's a lot of meat, and a lot of animals hunting the game and killing the livestock.
 

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so my point is proven

a silenced .22lr auto rifle, with subsonic ammo, and luminous sights, CAN feed you just fine. There is zero need of a .30 bore for shtf foraging. and such guns are a major handicap for fighting, too, as I have illustrated many 1000's of times over the years. A 223 auto MIGHT be of some help, now and then, if it's concealable and "wearing" a silencer and IF you are highly skilled at getting fast hits with it. but for well over 90% of the population, they'd better just stay hidden and very, very quiet, if shtf. If they do that, the silenced .22lr autorifle will suffice. If they DONT do so, then it's most unlikely that any sort of armament will save them. CAuse they are just too damned dumb to make it.
 

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He fucktard try walking up to a horse, cow, sheep or animal that doesn't recognize your particular scent or sound and see what happens.
A horse might approach you and maybe sheep.
Funny thing is if there's a MULE in with the sheep I'd advise staying the hell away. For one he'll sound an alarm and two he may just trot right up all friendly looking and then commence to kick the living shit out of you.
Hint, to prevent that first kill a coyote and skin it.
Then dose the hide in coyote urine and wear it while approaching the flock on all fours. That'll be sure to scare off the Mule or Jackass.🤣
And might not work so well if they have a sheep dog or 2-3 guarding them you mench.
 

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...if there's a MULE in with the sheep I'd advise staying the hell away. For one he'll sound an alarm and two he may just trot right up all friendly looking and then commence to kick the living shit out of you.
Hint, to prevent that first kill a coyote and skin it.
Then dose the hide in coyote urine and wear it while approaching the flock on all fours. That'll be sure to scare off the Mule or Jackass.🤣
And might not work so well if they have a sheep dog or 2-3 guarding them you mench.
That's just mean. For any who don't know, mules & donkeys are what a lot of farmers keep in with their livestock specifically FOR the reason of attacking coyotes, dogs, and even wolves. Anything canine, they hate. And some people, they also hate. I lost a small piece of a denim jacket to a donkey probably 20-25 years ago. We were at the house of one of my wife's (many) cousins at Christmas or New Year's and went out to the pasture just out of boredom. The homeowner and his wife (my age), me and my wife, their kids and our kids. For whatever reason, the donkey instantly took a hate to me and attacked me like I hadn't been attacked in a long time. He got a few punches in the side of the head, I lost a piece of my jacket, the cousin and his wife were stunned, and the kids thought it was funny as all get-out. At the time I'd never spent any time with donkeys, but later learned from a guy older than me about them. He sold them to farmers in the area, specifically to keep predators - especially anything canine, up to wolves - out of the pasture & away from the livestock.
 

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. . . . and you "think" that elk, moose and bear are what you need to provide the ability to take, if shtf? 223 softpoints take deer, pronghorn and wild hogs just fine, and the .22lr can do the job, too, inside 25 yds, with head shots and such critters CAN be baited in. Archers take pronghorns by using pit blinds, next to the only water source in many square miles.

22 rifle can drop horse, cattle, etc, with brain hits, and such critters will let you walk right up to them, especially at night. With your family's LIFE at stake, you'd go look for an elk or moose? if so, you're a JOKE, man.
Listen, I live on a large cattle farm. Numerous cattle get slaughtered, here, every year. So, let's get this straight:

YOU CANNOT EFFECTIVELY KILL EITHER CATTLE, OR HORSES WITH A 22 LR. THAT IS BLATANT ANIMAL CRUELTY!

The last time I saw someone use an AR-15 to drop a large buffalo the animal died a slow gruesome death. So, how about growing, the hell, up and stop spreading such nonsense!
 

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Listen, I live on a large cattle farm. Numerous cattle get slaughtered, here, every year. So, let's get this straight:

YOU CANNOT EFFECTIVELY KILL EITHER CATTLE, OR HORSES WITH A 22 LR. THAT IS BLATANT ANIMAL CRUELTY!

The last time I saw someone use an AR-15 to drop a large buffalo the animal died a slow gruesome death. So, how about growing, the hell, up and stop spreading such nonsense!
good luck with that. He has never actually done anything he claims, so he has no experience - only theory based on his wrong assumptions
 

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During the early '80's, I was posted at a Canadian Army Ammunition Depot on the prairies, during that time I was an avid hunter, service rifle competitor, service pistol competitor and fledgling IPSC shooter. One morning during coffee break with the civilians I worked with asked me why I had so many firearms. At the time I only had 6 guns, that I shot frequently. I asked the other 2 guys at the table how many firearms they had on their farms/ranches. One said 14 and the other said 16.
Melvin, word to the wise, farmers and ranches are generally ready to engage any predator's.
 
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...The last time I saw someone use an AR-15 to drop a large buffalo the animal died a slow gruesome death.
I suspect that's not a bad thing in his thinking. He's specifically said that shooting illegals crossing the border would be fun; so I doubt there's much empathy for any living thing.
 

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average weight of deer


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=average weight of a deer

no range of weight for whitetails! ? why? cause 150 lbs is NOT average, not by a long shot.

55 lbs of meat from a deer.

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30 million deer in US

http://www.actionbioscience.org/biodiversity/rooney.html

you'd need 4 lbs of venison per DAY if you are even half assed active.

Calories in 1 lb of Ground Deer Meat and Nutrition Facts and once they are being run by the dog packs, they will lose ANY fat that they have and if it's cold and shtf, you'll need more like 6 lbs of venison per day. So a deer will feed you for at best 10 days, if that's all you have for food. and there's MANY times more livestock than deer. and they are a LOT easier to catch. :)

there's 50 million each dogs and cats in the US, too. that's a lot of meat, and a lot of animals hunting the game and killing the livestock.
so why aren't livestock being run by dogs in your scenario? Can you explain why they'd leave such easy pickings alone? Or is it possible that livestock may not be as easy a target as you think. You may never see the guy with the rifle and the thermal scope if you try to poach at night. and you may never see the guy with a rifle if you try to do it in the daylight.

Trying to live by stealing from another man rarely ends up very well for the thief.
 
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