My .22LR, .22 WMR and .17HRM post was to compare the three calibers with a view to harvesting small game. It wasn't a discussion of 9MM Hi Points or your stupid fantasy CAR. Can you ever stick to a thread? Maybe you don't have the mental capacity to concentrate long enough. Oh, and by the way, when did they move the Sierra Mountains to Colorado? Did they sell the Rockies? Look at a map!