well guys, I wear camo for elk and deer hunting, and i never wear orange, not required in ariz, the wife washes em reg detergent and downy fabric softner, I have had elk and deer walk right buy me, a cow elk got so close once I poked her with my bow, in her chest just to get her to move out, So i am not convienced that all these products work, One of the most challenging hunts i was on was a bear hunt, Ariz allows no baiting, and i don't belive in hounds, i sat and waited for 4 days for 1 perticular bear to show up at a water tank, During this time i was visited by many deer ,elk , and turkey, as long as i moved slowly, no problem, Buy the way, the bear did come back in, 310 yard shoot, 7mm mag, sierra 160 grain boat tail, 375 lb black bear, sow, Bears are hard to judge but i knew she was big, i just know she was this big, for ariz, thats a huge bear