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straight up, he was horizontal over me. Hit him in kidney, using jacketed swc, 185 gr .45 match ammo. He hung in the tree. Fired again, hit his other kidney, he fell, but hung on to branches a couple of times. He hit a pile of leaves over a foot thick, and ran off!. I ran him down, stomped his head. Just one of many times I was REAL unimpressed with non-expanding .45 ammo.
 

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I got a squirrel last evening using #4 shot. He was up at tree top level, probably about 50 ft. away. One pellet went through his jaw line, ear to ear and he dropped like a stone. Bounced once when he hit the ground, and never twitched a muscle.
 

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brain hits r different, no doubt about it

with a coupld of months of training the abs, you can withstand a bare knuckled punch to the gut, by ANYBODY. However, you are never going to stay on your feet after a solid, bare knuckled punch to the temple, or under your nose, by almost anybody. You can take 300+ ft lbs to the gut, but only about 30 to the head, before it rocks your world, and 60 will drop you, if it's delivered at about a 90 degree angle. The jaw is not a particularly good place to aim. Yes, it's easily dislocated, and such an injury hurts badly, but it's not incapacitating, unless you catch the guy 'just right". Trying to do the latter is really likely to injure either your fist or your wrist.,
 
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