I remember that after we set up IPSC at the Columbia Conference, Jeff went on to teach a basic class in Ohio, staying at Hack's place. Hack later said that Cooper had all the personality of an armpit. I rode out to the first IPSC nationals in Golden Colorado with Bill. and raul walters tried to get me tossed in jail over carrying a LW commander in the designated" Match hotel". But the cops came to find out that Jeff had cleared it with the management for us to CCW at the hotel He advocated always carrying and he knew that quite a few of us did so as a matter of routine (and pride). Raul was an asshole, but he wasn't smart enough to come up with all his cheating ways on his own. He got the ideas from Dick Thomas.