[andy]

a real blast, too, and is a real eye opener, too. After you find out that the SO overwhelming .45 ball rd, .45 L Colt lead flat point wont reliably stop either of those 5-10 lb animals with a chest hit, and you see a 90 gr jhp 9mm reliably knocking them for a loop (at 1500+ fps) you begin to realize how MUCH bs,lies, and ignorance there IS out there, about real flesh and blood performance of ccw loads. I moved up, to big feral dogs, and the .45 ball rd did WORSE, not better, too. Such loads shoot thru big dogs, from end to end. To claim that they don't exit men is pure bs or ignorance.

 

[Guest]

i thought they were tools

that's like using 40 grit when you should be using 400.

make up your mind man are they tools or not, if so then us the right one for the right job.

 

[andy]

I was a teenager, what's your ignorant

escuse, hmm? I've known the reality of the situation for over 30 years now. Where have you been?

 

[Guest]

my ignorant excuse for what

u made a statement about guns being tools and nothing more.
i pointed out that u were using the wrong tool for the job.

i'm not sure what situation ur talking about, want to clear thar up.

well maybe if u use a ccw for jacks they won't know ur packin so u can get much closer

 

[Stillwater]

a real blast, too, and is a real eye opener, too. After you find out that the SO overwhelming .45 ball rd, .45 L Colt lead flat point wont reliably stop either of those 5-10 lb animals with a chest hit, and you see a 90 gr jhp 9mm reliably knocking them for a loop (at 1500+ fps) you begin to realize how MUCH bs,lies, and ignorance there IS out there, about real flesh and blood performance of ccw loads. I moved up, to big feral dogs, and the .45 ball rd did WORSE, not better, too. Such loads shoot thru big dogs, from end to end. To claim that they don't exit men is pure bs or ignorance.

MELVIN, you are such a Bull Sh!t artist, that it would be funny, if you weren't so pathetic.

I'm sure you have shot a lot of Jack Rabbits with your CCW pistol.

Why don't you write a book about your hunting exploits, MELVIN? We"ll put in the library and file it under fiction.

 

[Aslan]

I have shot jackrabbits with my ccw pistol (.45) I don't use ball ammo. I have never shot a chuck with my pistol.

My mileage is obviously better than yours, because They die. Given how you once complained that .308 was worthless because you shot a rabbit in the foot and it didn't die, you might have a shot placement issue.

I WANT the round to exit what I shoot. Fackler already addressed the myth of depositing energy. I want the biggest wound channel I can get, all the way through.

Tissue destruction kills.

Never have I seen a single person, other than you claim that anyone thinks .45 ball won't exit a person. (.45 hollow pts will exit a person)

You are real good with ideas that were popular in the '70s, like the energy deposit thing.

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.

In case you missed it, shot placement is key.

:devil:

 

[RIKA]

38 wadcutters work well for my impromptu rabbit shots. If I get a hit they will stop though I admit that some require a second shot to terminate them.

RIKA

 

[mrostov]

Who uses .45 ball for CCW?

 

[Magnum88C]

Who uses .45 ball for CCW?

I believe Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch fame advocates carrying FMJ, and does so himself, his reasoning being that reliability in a combat handgun (he lieks 1911s) is the #1 priority. I don't know if he's changed his stance on that recently or not. I'm sure people follow this lead, as well as those in states that do not allow HP ammo for carry, and they have no choice.

More importantly, if in a self-defense shooting, who's going to only fire once?

Let's face it, if you can't put down a rabbit (or feral dog) with a .45, even FMJ, it's really a placement problem, not a bullet problem.

As for shooting such with my CCW pieces, I DO like to use a 4" .357 -- which is ONE of my CCW pieces. It also seems to be strong medicine -- if you can place your rounds right.

 

[andy]

garnad, millions of others "think" .45 ball,.45 l colt lfp 255 gr are great defensive loads. they BELIEVE the bs about such things, put out by Cooper, Taylor and other ignoramuses.

 

[mrostov]

The .45 ball round being very reliable is a good point. The .45 ball round is not something you actually want to be hit with. Actual police shootings and wartime feedback has shown us that.