[Major PITA]

I've always been a person to want his cake and eat it too.

I just purchased a Savage 10FP-LE2, which I'm slowly going to build into a precision rifle.

While I do that (which could take months), I'd like to have a good, lightweight hunting rifle that is light enough to take deer hunting, and yet its accuracy is about MOA out of the box with good factory ammo. I've considered another Savage 10FP, with maybe the 20 inch barrel this time (instead of the 26-inch of the LE2), but this may still be too heavy for a "hunting" rifle.

I'm pretty much "married" to .308; I don't like to own multiple, similar calibers. I have a horror of getting 40 miles into the boonies only to find I've brought the wrong ammo!

Is there a lightweight, current production hunting bolt-action rifle you know of that fills the bill of good hunter and tack-driver?

 

[brass hammer]

hey major

you sound like you need a .280 rem. pump i got leaning in the corner, not a ammo foul up there, ha ha, i can't help you unless you put more on the table? cheap?

 

[andy]

silly quest. 308's aint for crows, or similar

small targets. It's also underpowered, not much in the way of drop and drift numbers, for use on the bigger animals at long range. So why bother with the precision bs? It's for 1/4 mile and less use on deer, basically, and that's pushing it by quite a bit. 350 yds is more like the realistic limit.

 

[RIKA]

Re: silly quest. 308's aint for crows, or similar

small targets. It's also underpowered, not much in the way of drop and drift numbers, for use on the bigger animals at long range. So why bother with the precision bs? It's for 1/4 mile and less use on deer, basically, and that's pushing it by quite a bit. 350 yds is more like the realistic limit.

You dreamed up thAT BS on the 308. Just because you're a lousy shot with the 308 and are afraid of the recoil doesn't mean everybody else is. Stick with your puny canned CAR phallic symbol, it fits your style. Short, weak and barely able to do even a little job.

RIKA

 

[Hard Rock]

Tard, I've taken deer at more than twice your quoted maximum range with my .308... you know nothing of what you are dribbling.

The .308 is a 1200 yard cartridge when used properly. You may not be able to comprehend that but it's a fact. The US Army rates that round at 800 yards, not for the performance of the round but for the performance requirements and limits in people.

The Marines rate it at 1000 yards again for the same reasons.

Mike

 

[Rich Z]

Although it is a bit on the pricey side, the Steyr Scout in .308 seems to be a very capable firearm. I have one in .243 and it is absolutely a tack driver. A friend of mine has one in .308 and chews my ear off about it every chance he gets.

One word of advice, though. Ditch the scope with the thick reticle and get a fine reticle. The thick reticle is OK for close in shooting, but the gun can shoot far better than that Scout scope will allow you to.

 

[Aslan]

Hey Brass, I like the .280, though I use a bolt (ruger m77) for mine. It really likes those 140 gr Barnes's...

:devil:

 

[Major PITA]

Ditch the scope with the thick reticle and get a fine reticle. The thick reticle is OK for close in shooting, but the gun can shoot far better than that Scout scope will allow you to.

I think my scope will have a mil-dot reticle. I like this for target shooting, and like my cartridge limitation, I like having the same scope on each rifle so that I don't have to "relearn" the rifle's reticle each time. I used to have one of those Springfield Armory "sniper" scopes with the range scale, level, etc. I found that the range scale is awkward because it's calibrated for people. I kinda have the same problem with the Shepherd scope. Under stress I consistently pick up the wrong "circle". The mil-dot reticle is an acquired taste, but once you get the hang of it you can use it on coyotes, deer, whatever.

I'm tempted to buy a Savage similar to my 10FP-LE2, but with the 20-inch barrel. The 10FP-LE2 is so well balanced that you almost don't notice its "nose-heaviness." Savages are generally accurate, but the 20-incher would be more handy on a hunt.

Does anybody have any info on the basic out-of-box accuracy of Winchester rifles? I like the idea of the Mauser-type extractor and the ability to field-strip the bolt without tools or a vise, etc., but you don't pick up much word-of-mouth on their accuracy like you do the Savages, Tikkas, Remingtons, etc.

 

[brass hammer]

aslan

hey bro! glad to to hear you got one too! but i got to be honest with you, i have less than 40 rd. for it and don't shoot it much, as i don't load for it, yet have over 300rd. for .270 win. ruger#1, go figure!
m77's are really fine rifles, i took a #77 in .300win. mag. in trade for some work on a home [my first .300win] and it was crap in the accuracy dept.[being shot out] in fact prowling this site and reading the mcmillan barrel post stating that there shot out @1000 rd. made me feel better, this one came with 380rd. of reloads.[ live and learn] blew it out the door for a truck payment

that was the bad, now for the good! my hunting partner [who [email protected]]sold me a lot of his firearms, one being a m#77 in 22-250 short barrel with full wood stock[long discontinued] and brother, i absolutely love that little rifle! it prints 3 shot groups the size of your thumbnail all day long.:beer: :beer:

 

[andy]

we already KNOW u r an asshole, Hard Rock

at 1/2 a mile, the 308 no longer expands a softpoint, and it only has 800 ft lbs left to it, (at best) so you are one SORRY pos, risking the loss of an animal. That would be the same thing as shooting the same deer at 50m, with .30 carbine BALL ammo, you hunk of crap, PLUS lots more risk of the animal moving, wind or mirage making for a POOR hit, etc.

 

[Aslan]

Re: we already KNOW u r an asshole, Hard Rock

at 1/2 a mile, the 308 no longer expands a softpoint, and it only has 800 ft lbs left to it, (at best) so you are one SORRY pos, risking the loss of an animal. That would be the same thing as shooting the same deer at 50m, with .30 carbine BALL ammo, you hunk of crap, PLUS lots more risk of the animal moving, wind or mirage making for a POOR hit, etc.

So, then applying your logic, what does it say about the A*ssH*ole that shoots dogs, and other pets just to see what happens?

hmm?


Btw, 800lbs can kill.


:devil:

 

[andy]

never said it wasn't LETHAL, asshole

just said it was stupidly inhumane. Scientific testing of REALISTIC ccw pistol loads, on animals is the ONLY way to know for SURE what's what, on flesh and blood. Otherwise, there's just the ignorance of bsers like YOU, spreading a load of crap about how "effective" .45 ball is.

 

[Aslan]

Why do you insist on .45 ball? i only use hollow points (other than to punch paper or shoot for fun)


you are the only one who claims anything about .45 ball.

You are the only who who claims we say anything about .45 ball.

ANIMALS ARE NOT HUMANS AND REACT DIFFERENTLY.

You didn't do anything scientific at all. That's a fact.

Why don't you describe the controls, what the dependant and independant variables were for your tests?

All you did is kill or main a bunch of animals without understanding what you were doing.

:devil:

 

[andy]

garnad, Rostov "think' .45 ball's just fine

dumbass. 230 gr jhp's might as WELL be ball, cause they don't expand, dumbass. The way I KNOW that, dumbass, is I've shot lots of animals with them, dumbass. I have controled for a LOT, dumbass,by shooting flesh and BLOOD, dumbass. You "think" human flesh and blood is DIFFERENT from that of other mammals, dumbass? you "think" jello shows SHOCK response, dumbass? if you want to bet on SHOCK, slow, heavy, non expanding bullets are not the answer, dumbass. ALL mammalian brains keep 5 seconds or more's worth of oxygenated blood IN the cranium, dumbass. No WAY blood loss offers a faster shutdown than 5 seconds, dumbass. ONLY shock can offer the instaneous shutdown, dumbass. Yes, it fails sometimes, but if you lay on ENOUGH of it, such failures are RARE, like they are with 223 sp hits to the chest. One in 50-100 RARITIES. The 12 ga slug does not better. There's still the 1 in 50-100 failure to stop.

 

[andy]

4" or shorter barrels, non plus P 185's

or 200 gr jhp .45's dont expand either. Plus P .45's are very hard to control adequately, in compact, lw guns, too. I know this, because I have a timer, know what the TOP hands can achieve, and I've shot lots of animals with these loads, too, dummy.

 

[Aslan]

Re: garnad, Rostov "think' .45 ball's just fine

dumbass. 230 gr jhp's might as WELL be ball, cause they don't expand, dumbass. The way I KNOW that, dumbass, is I've shot lots of animals with them, dumbass. I have controled for a LOT, dumbass,by shooting flesh and BLOOD, dumbass. You "think" human flesh and blood is DIFFERENT from that of other mammals, dumbass? you "think" jello shows SHOCK response, dumbass? if you want to bet on SHOCK, slow, heavy, non expanding bullets are not the answer, dumbass. ALL mammalian brains keep 5 seconds or more's worth of oxygenated blood IN the cranium, dumbass. No WAY blood loss offers a faster shutdown than 5 seconds, dumbass. ONLY shock can offer the instaneous shutdown, dumbass. Yes, it fails sometimes, but if you lay on ENOUGH of it, such failures are RARE, like they are with 223 sp hits to the chest. One in 50-100 RARITIES. The 12 ga slug does not better. There's still the 1 in 50-100 failure to stop.

you have no idea what a control is - do you?

you have controlled a lot by shooting - that is the most ignorant, dumbass statement you have made to date. thank you for proving my point.

I have killed animals (coyotes) with my .45. They opened fine and the animals ran less distance than they have when hit by a .223 in a similar spot.

5 seconds of blood? all mamals? you better check on that.


Anyway, thanks for proving you didn't do anything scientific at all. All you have is ancedotal evidence.

Given your previous posts concerning shot placement (ie shooting a rabbit in the foot with a .308 and complaining it didn't die), your results are bs at best and more than likely made up fantasy like so much else of your posts.

:devil:

 

[andy]

u r a <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>ing liar. No way ANY .45 jhp

does a better job than a good 223 sp. You aint been close enough to hit more than one coyote with a .45 in your LIFE, and that one was hit by a car first.

 

[Aslan]

Once again, you have know idea.

but if it makes you feel better to make such stupid claims, then fine.

I have been close enought to coyotes to reach out and touch them.

My favorite hunting is calling predators using a mouth call (none of the electronic crap for me.)

I've had hawks flare in my face talons first - until I waived them off.

You obviously don't know much about camoflauge or hunting predators.

I've had deer walk right up to me and snort in my face because they could smell me, but they could not see me.

I once had a herd of elk walk right past me on either side of me. they couldn't see me.

I use full cammo, including facemasks, gloves, and scent cover.

My primary varmint gun is a winchester mod 70 in .223. The stock, the barrel, and the scope are all cammoflauged.

While you prattle about being stealthy, we practice it.

And, I'm not the most stealthy of the guys I hunt with.

But, I do know I'm stealthier than you will ever dream of being.

here's an example of what you can get when being stealthy - guess how close he was when I took him. (he's on the floor in the corner because we are house sitting and waiting for our house to be built.)

 

[Hard Rock]

What Tard doesn't understand is that there are guys out there that are so damned spooky that he'll never see them or hear them until it is so damn late he can't do anything about it.

One of the scariest is a guy named Pedro. He's from Cuba and is about 70 years old. I went hunting with him and I've never seen a guy so freaking stealthy... He came to the US in the 50's and is a superb hunter and outdoorsman...

Mike

 

[Aslan]

he has no idea what people are capable of at all.

let's just leave it at that.

:devil: