[Garand]

Gawd, I hate it! You head out to the range for your weekly practice session and there's Billy Bob and JimmyJoe and Uncle Ferd out trying to zero their rifles. These are the guys that just pulled their rifles from the closet where they've been sitting for the last 10 months. They'll work the bolt once or twice, get the rust on the bolt loosened up. Squirt in a bit of WD 40 and they are ready to leave the house. Then they'll wander down to the local hardware store and buy 3 boxes of whatever caliber and head for the range.

They stick a 2'x2' homemade drawing of deer up at 100 yds. Billy Bob looks at his 3x 20 rd boxes of ammo, trying to decide what he should zero in with. Should he use the Federal Premium, the Winchester Silvertips, or the Remington Core Lokt? Two hours later, the ammo is gone, the zeroing still needs some "tweeking" so its back to the store for more ammo.

Three hours later, they have achieved zeroing according to the gunkid school of marksmanship, 3 rd in a 12" group. And they have also managed to point their firearms at the poor competitive target shooter at least 4 times!

Am I being overly critical of non-shooters, whos only desire is to pretend their Daniel Boone, once a year and get the "barr"? Well at least they left the beer for after, the zeroing!

 

[mrostov]

There's some interesting types out there. Deer hunters even get shot out of tree stands 'accidently', which is curious since I've never seen a tree climbing deer.

When I was a kid there was this one farmer we knew that actually painted the word 'cow' in red on the sides of his cattle to keep them from getting shot during hunting season.

There was this one forest ranger near where we were living, a real 'ecologist' type. He decided to go deer hunting one season and wound up shooting his own horse. He evidently tied the horse up, managed to walk in a circle, saw what looked to him like a deer mostly obscured by the local vegetation, and fired his hunting rifle at it.

 

[RIKA]

People do some dumb things but most I've run into are pretty nice, even Uncle Ferd. I'm sure looking forward to hunting season and the good times that come with it.

RIKA

 

[Hard Rock]

Garand, you have no idea how much I can relate to what you are saying. We have a name for those types of shooters in our area... we call them paper plate shooters. No kidding, these guys put up a paper plate at 100 yards and as long as they can hit it, they are happy.

I absolutely abhor such poor shooting skills. It shows a lack of responsibility and maturity. I don't like hunting anywhere near people like that.

Mike

 

[mrostov]

Mike, not defending the shooting skills of guys like that, but if you can put the round in a paper plate at 100 yards, then you can hit and kill a deer (or even a man for that matter), and for most people that's all they need. That is as good if not better accuracy than most Indians were capable of with a firearm on the frontier.

 

[Hard Rock]

I understand what you are saying Mike but here is my problem with them... they sight in for 100 yards and inevitably take shots at closer or farther distances and either miss the animal or injure it without putting it down. When they miss it, that is when you get other hunters that accidentally get shot.

Then you get the dumb asses that shoot at anything. I had a round pass right between me and a friend one year while hunting. The guy had "heard" a deer and "seen" his breath.

This is the exact reason that I hunt in areas that are almost inaccessable to most people.

Mike

 

[41mag]

LOL!Garand?You forgot to name the caliber of choice.Around here it's not uncommon to see (hear?) those selfsame 1 box/year hunters tell how powerful their new deer rifle is.Now I enjoy buying a new gun at least as much as the next guy but dangit,I have to shoot it several hundred rounds before I'm really comfortable w/it.I fail to understand how someone can buy a new .300mag(just pik one of 'em),"sight" it in,& go shoot a deer w/the thing reliably.What's even funnier is that it's likely to be a $750 rifle w/a $80 (on sale!Woo hoo!)POS Tasco on it.

I guess my ultimate side splitter about the whole deal is that the gun will be used to shoot a deer funneled down a lane from a distance of 150 yds or less.There are almost no 250-450yd shots in Mi.


Another thing.If you look at a cross section of hunters around here you'll probably find a couple of generalities.My favorite is choice of rifle/caliber.If you're over about fifty & are from a middle class or farm family then you are likely to have a lever gun.Either a Marlin in .35 Rem or a Winchester in .30-30.If you're from a more martial family or have a military history then a model 70 in .30-06 is common.If you're rich then it's a 7x57 or 6x55 bolt gun.If you're really old-great gramps-then a Savage 99 in .300 Savage or a Krag is pretty common.It's the younger crowd that uses the autoloaders & bolts for the most part.Also the "magnums".7mm Rem leading the way.

 

[RIKA]

41 Mag quote: "If you're rich then it's a 7x57."

Hey! I represent that remark cuz I have a 7x57.

Seriously, good observation though I must be an old Granny farm type because I'll be hunting with a LA 45-70 this year ... and enjoying it immensely.

Just teasing as usual.

RIKA

 

[Terry G]

I only hunt on my own property, I'm not going into a public hunting "combat Zone". Like Garand said, there are way,way, too many hunters? that drag the old "thutty-thutty" out once a year, get good and liqoured up in camp, and then head out to get "their deer". Luckily most of them are such poor shots that the safest place to be is where their aiming at. Even on my own ridge I had some idiot kick up dirt not three feet from me six years ago. He was tresspassing, of course, and when I confronted him about almost shooting me, he shrugged it off as "no big deal, you weren't hit, were you?". I actually let him live.

 

[Garand]

Terry your far more tolerant than I am. In an earlier life I unfortunately had to butt stroke a man while I was serving in the middle East. A self defence thing. Had I been in your circumstances, I'm sure old abilities could have been renewed.

 

[brass hammer]

I Think I'll 'jump'

into to this 'fray'!


down here in tucson ,it's a freaking circus[i quit rifle hunting deer about 7 years ago] the BEANS would be setting up TENTS/QUADS where i knew/watched the deer 2 weeks earlier, i mean these CLOWNS ...ah..never mind, i have the whole month of january to bow hunt in, state wide!


if it wasn't so sad ,one could possibly find humor in it!



you are on your OWN when you hunt down here!


thanks.

 

[jimgard]

Guys, you're talking about guys who at least shoot their rifles a few times before going hunting. Around here you lucky if they do that.
Every year before deer season I go the a local Wal-mart or Dick's Sporting and watch guys buy brand new rifles then have a 18 yoa pimple face kid Bore-sight it. Then they think they are ready for that 300 yard shot.

I even have officers at the PD I work at do it. They should surely know better.

Good case against this. Last season in October I found a older Western Auto Sales Bolt action 243 - Revelation Arms - w/ 6x power scope.
This was great little rifle and great price.
The gun shop guy that had it, Bore-sighted it before I left. Stated," Your good to go - it's dead-on at 100 yards."

I got 5 boxes of shells and ran to the range.
This gun was a good 12 inches low and 8 inches to the right at 100 yards.

Had it happen with a B-N-L's Savage 30-06 also. We had to shoot a poster board sheet at 25 yards just to find where it was printing.

Jim

 

[brass hammer]

Your Learnin'

there JIMGARD, smile BUT trust ONLY yourself[and your mother ,of course,unless she is trying to fix/saddle, you with the biggest/fattest, hosebeast east of the rockies. then it's every man FOR HIS SELF!.]
THEN I SAY DEER HUNT IN TUCSON WITH THE BEANS! :dancer01:



THANKS,[not knowing the $ for your .243, i still know it's a hell've deal you landed,for yourself!, keep posting.]


bore-site will just should/ put you on [email protected] thats all

 

[jimgard]

Brass - I gave 200.00 for it. I would have paid more.
This little rifle just plain feels great.
Shoulders very nice and fit is perfect for me.

I shoot Southpaw - this is a right handed bolt. I have never really had a problem with this. I have a older Remington Mod 722 222 rem that I shot groundhogs with for years. I learned if you aim right the first time - you don't have to rush a second shot.

I did take a mid-size doe with the 243 last year at the end of the season.
Most of the season I used a Remington 760 - 30-06 that I've had for 25 years. My son used this one to take his largest buck on opening day last year.
He's 20 and hunted a whole 6 hours and killed a old 9 pointer then went back to college.

Your right about trust also.
Jim

 

[brass hammer]

thanks! JIMGARD!

i had a 'feeling' about you being a KY. WILDCAT .

I PUSHED AND YOU CAME BACK !


i've owned [2] 760 gamemaster remintons[.280,.243,the .280was recently 'pushed down stream'] they ARE SLICK/FAST HANLDIN' RIFLES


i'm glad to hear your son is huntin'





post as freely as you want in any forum on the ARMSLOCKER!




thanks.

 

[jimgard]

Brass - Love UK basketball -
I went to Northern Kentucky Univ.
Wife went to Thomas More then Northern for Masters
Daughter just grad from Thomas More
Son's at Louisville.

Jim

 

[brass hammer]

Thunder On The Ohio!

send tomatos soon!






unfortuneitly[sp]my advanced learning ended @17 when i joined the U.S.M.C.[i grew up basically on the floor of a drilling rig, making connections/flipping the chain @11-12years old ,ha! the marines was a pudd!

go figure why! ha! no, it wasn't all bad! that was the way MY father was!


lots of fresh from the jungle nam 'VETS' he would work! and they had stories!


i'm shuttin' down for to-night!



thanks.