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and so does EVERYONE else who knows their asses from holes in the ground, for the civilian survivalist. It's POINTLESS to discuss what's what for the military, you aint IN the military, don't have their problems or their solutions. The military has 100 taxpayers coughing up 5% of their gross income, for every troop that's in a combat zone. YOu have to pay for ALL your gear and training by yourself. The military has planes, smoke generators, thermal imaging, fire-control computers, choppers, rockets, tanks, cannon beltfeds, grenades, mines, poison gas, napalm, safe bases to run back to, state of the art medical care, all sorts of crap you can't have.

The troops don't have to forage, you do. Their "answers" and problems can't be your answers, cause most of their problems are of their own choosing. YOU have to be smart enough to only have about 5% of the sort of problems that the military has. You do this by sticking to either darkness or thick cover, and by being a very minor target, by having a silencer, by having an autorifle, by having a .22 unit, by wearing concealable armor, by employing strategic movement, caches, etc. That is, IF you have enough sense to poor piss out of a boot, with the instructions on the heel.
 

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In a way you are right but for the wrong reasons. Most civilians don't understand the benefits and the drawbacks of full auto. 99.9% of the time, single shot or semi is all that is needed. The full auto capability is a nice thing to have for the .1 % time that you may need it. Is it a requirement? Nope. Is it nice to have? Sure, if you know how to use it.

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knowing HOW, and knowing WHEN, are two VERY different things. pussies like you use rock and roll CONSTANTLY.
 

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Yeah, and the military also has this special, secret technology called, 'maps', so they at least know where they are in North America.

http://www.armslocker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29962&page=2

You'd be better off with a scoped 10/22 and a decent map than you would be with just a chopped 10" CAR-15 and a 'can'.
 

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says a lame who has to "know" where he is with a map, who THINKS he can know where he might be FORCED to go, who THINKS he can carry every map about the US (in enough detail to be any HELP) and who claims to be able to forage just FINE with a slingshot. what you need a 1022 for, punk?
 

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like the Indians had compasses and maps right? Like they NEEDED such, right? like a .22 can't be heard for half a mile, right? the sonic crack with a 223 doesnt carry even HALF that far, except in the direction that it's fired. U want to take on shtf, autorifle armed bandits with a .22lr, and you just CAN'T hike without a .17 rimfire rifle, right? fuck you.
 

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says a lame who has to "know" where he is with a map, ........... what you need a 1022 for, punk?
Well, 'punk', I can drill your eyeballs out at 100m with one and without using a bipod either.

Even AAA road maps show an impressive amount of detail for general course planning and navigation.

Without even maps like those, you're so ignorant that you thought you were is a mountain range several states away.

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like the Indians had compasses and maps right? Like they NEEDED such, right?
The Indians knew what they were doing in the boonies, you don't - BIG difference. They were also ignorant savages who LOST the fight.

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like a .22 can't be heard for half a mile, right? the sonic crack with a 223 doesnt carry even HALF that far, except in the direction that it's fired. U want to take on shtf, autorifle armed bandits with a .22lr, and you just CAN'T hike without a .17 rimfire rifle, right? fuck you.
My 10/22 is probably significantly more accurate at 100m than your 10" CAR-15 is.

Actually I hike a lot now with just a .22LR MkII. The difference is that I actually hike and you don't. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.
 

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real survivalist needs no map. Map doesn't mean crap

in lots of cases. It won't show you whats just been flooded, what's in drought, what's destroyed by a nuke, or a volcano or storm or earthquake. where the enemies are, where the fallout or disease is, where the water's dried up, where the game is, etc. So you can't just walk in straight lines, with your silly compass headings. Your watch won't mean much of anything, either. The stars or your sense of timing tell you enough, same for directions and ability to LOOK at the terrain. You should be able to survive REGARDLESS of the terrain or climate. Anybody can work their way south for the winter, north for the summer, with no map or compass or clock. Sheesh, what a bunch of lames.
 

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Sheesh, what a bunch of lames.
Spoken like a 'lame' who's never been there and done that.

You have NO idea what you are doing. Your entire post just outlined why you need a map.
 

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What a nitwit!!
 

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Andy, you are the personification of ignorance. You glorify yourself in your lack of knowledge. No wonder people think you are a joke. You are; a very unfunny one. Oh well, enjoy yourself if it makes you happy.

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knowing HOW, and knowing WHEN, are two VERY different things. pussies like you use rock and roll CONSTANTLY.

Actually, you have no idea how I operate. But you keep believing that.

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in lots of cases. It won't show you whats just been flooded, what's in drought, what's destroyed by a nuke, or a volcano or storm or earthquake. where the enemies are, where the fallout or disease is, where the water's dried up, where the game is, etc. So you can't just walk in straight lines, with your silly compass headings. Your watch won't mean much of anything, either. The stars or your sense of timing tell you enough, same for directions and ability to LOOK at the terrain. You should be able to survive REGARDLESS of the terrain or climate. Anybody can work their way south for the winter, north for the summer, with no map or compass or clock. Sheesh, what a bunch of lames.
Once again, a map can show nearly all those things, plus give you clues about the rest.

A map can show you what areas would be flooded and which areas would not.

A map can give you an idea of where to go to avoid disease, fallout, etc.

How do you know your aimless wandering towards the south isn't taking you to a town, military base, big deep canyon, wide river, etc?

A map can tell you all those things.

A map can tell you which pass through the mountains is likely to be the best route to choose, or the one to avoid because it is likely to take you to where people are you want to avoid.

The fact that YOU don't understand them, does not make them useless.

A couple of WAC charts and a road atlas can go a long ways. Throw in either 7.5 topos for your immeadiate area and maybe a topo atlas of your and surrounding states, and you have more than enough info to get out of dodge safely.

Every time you invent reasons for not using a map, you invariably list reasons FOR having a map and compass.

After all the times you've been hammered on this one, I'm surprised you haven't learned anything.

Only a moron thinks that using a map and compass forces you to move in a straight line - where do you get that lame ass idea from?

Pay careful attention to this next part:

YOU DON'T WALK STRAIGHT LINES USING COMPASS HEADINGS.

Using a map and a compass, you can take bearings and headings on landmarks and determine where you are. You can plan your route and verify you are following that route . The route can zig zag, spiral, curve, or gasp even be in a straight line. But proper use of map and compass doesn't force you to travel in any particular manner.

Get a clue, learn something about the subject before you try and pretend to be an expert.

what a maroon.

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Every tried to tell a child something and have him stick his fingers in his ears and yell, "I can't hear you. I can't hear you". Thats andy for you. Totally hopeless.

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Btt, I like threads about maps...this one's a hoot.

So, GK have you figured out where the Rockies are and where the Sierras are?

Btw, you are not in the catskills or the dragoons either. (Just in case you were still confused over that whole moutain range thing.)

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A moron who doesn't even know what MOUNTAIN RANGE he LIVES ON lecturing on why he doesn't need a map. . .
 

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A "real survivalist" probably doesn't "need" a map. He sure as hell would probably like one, though, if he had the option. A compass and GPS would be pretty kickin', too, if they're available.

While its nice to know how to function with the bare minimum/cheapest gear, it seems pretty damned stupid for that to be the first line of defense.
 
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