So explain the basics to us!
I know u AINT carrying rifle as often as it's
feasible to carry a pistol, even in "woods", cause you STILL get hassled, and it's STILL just a pointless 5 more lbs, and a lot of carrying hassle, over the 1.5 lb pistol. U guys dont even understand the BASICS. If it aint big game season, which is about 1-2 weeks nearly everywhere, there's no reason to BOTHER with the rifle. Except for the fact that you can't stalk or shoot well enough with the pistol, that is.
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You are missing the point tweedledum. We carry the rifle because we want to and legally can. You are the one who has to skulk around with your cobbled up POS because you can't have a good gun.
We win. You lose. As usual.
RIKA
We win. You lose. As usual.
RIKA
Hunting season runs from Sept.1 till Feb.31 somewhere in WY, right now all five in my family have 3 doe/fawn "additionals" for 2 mule deer and 1 antelope (thats 15 head total for the math challenged JD). We will all soon have "general" licences for deer, antelope and elk (another 15 head should we all tag out, the deer and antelope are certains, depends on who goes elk hunting this year for the elk). That doesn't count my usual "spring bear" hunt (I almost always score, if i find a good enough bear) and if we happen to draw moose or sheep tags. I shouldn't leave out big and little cats during the winter and assorted varmints.
If we thought that wasn't enough killing for one year, we could buy more doe/fawn "additionals" in other counties left over after the draw, there are always a bunch sold over the counter.
I have been doing this for 25 years JD, except a few exceptions when I was at war (the best hunting experience to date) and couldn't get leave. JD if you started now you would never come close to the amount of real hunting experience I have in the US. I've been to Africa 3 times ( a buddy owns a hunting concession there), going next year with my boys for plains game if everythings works out right.
Teuf,
If we thought that wasn't enough killing for one year, we could buy more doe/fawn "additionals" in other counties left over after the draw, there are always a bunch sold over the counter.
I have been doing this for 25 years JD, except a few exceptions when I was at war (the best hunting experience to date) and couldn't get leave. JD if you started now you would never come close to the amount of real hunting experience I have in the US. I've been to Africa 3 times ( a buddy owns a hunting concession there), going next year with my boys for plains game if everythings works out right.
Teuf,
Dumbkid can't carry ANY gun at ANY time.
andy said:feasible to carry a pistol, even in "woods", cause you STILL get hassled, and it's STILL just a pointless 5 more lbs, and a lot of carrying hassle, over the 1.5 lb pistol. U guys dont even understand the BASICS. If it aint big game season, which is about 1-2 weeks nearly everywhere, there's no reason to BOTHER with the rifle. Except for the fact that you can't stalk or shoot well enough with the pistol, that is.
Naaaaah, man! Mine stays with me all the time in the woods. Even when I'm back at camp having a sandwich, it' never more than three steps away. That's one of the beauties of a practical rifle. Yep, the same adage about better to have a carryable handgun on you than one that's not carryable not on you. Same applies to the rifle. Rifle season here runs from 11-15 through 1-31, and I'm in the woods a lot more than that; it's with me even when planting and scouting. Also opportunities and needs can arise at much more than pistol ranges!
I guess it's like this - handgun or rifle - it's a fire extinguisher; better to have it than not when you need it. Carry the most powerful, reliable, and controlable one you can, check it's mechanics and load regularly to be sure it'll work if you need it, and be familiar enough with it to know where the stream will go when you set it off.
Regards,
Jon
There's game and varmints in season 365 days a year in AZ. There is always something that is legal to shoot, from rabbits to elk, something is huntable every single day (legally).andy said:feasible to carry a pistol, even in "woods", cause you STILL get hassled, and it's STILL just a pointless 5 more lbs, and a lot of carrying hassle, over the 1.5 lb pistol. U guys dont even understand the BASICS. If it aint big game season, which is about 1-2 weeks nearly everywhere, there's no reason to BOTHER with the rifle. Except for the fact that you can't stalk or shoot well enough with the pistol, that is.
There big game seasons from august through december, and fur bearing and predators year round (with a few species specific exceptions), small game is year round, and this is an open carry state.
the only one with any fears about being hassled is you, because you cannot legally handle a firearm.
You keep inventing "facts" that well, are not true (which could make them lies - but I'm willing to concede wishful thinking on your part)
Skip the drama for a change.
:devil:
Actually Andy,I do carry a handgun when I go hunting.I rarely carry a long gun.Here in Mi the land is wooded & the ranges are short.I have no desire-nor do I need to -shoot accross fields.There is an overabundance of deer here & I haven't,as yet,had the desire to go "up north"to hunt bears.Elk season is,shall I say,limited.There aren't any wild piggies to speak of.I'm confident in my ability to hit w/both by Blackhawk 41 & my MKII.
Now,when I start making the trek out west then I'll carry a rifle.
Now,when I start making the trek out west then I'll carry a rifle.
I can't even think of a single time I've been in the woods or the desert without a long gun and a pistol. (other than bow hunting, but then I have a bow and a pistol)
In a typical schizophrenic irony, about two years before Gunkid posted this I told him that I’d started carrying only a powerful handgun in the woods, and had quit carrying a rifle because it was too much hassle to keep actually ‘on you’ while working. Of course he called me an idiot for doing so....there's no reason to BOTHER with the rifle. Except for the fact that you can't stalk or shoot well enough with the pistol, that is.
John, IMHO old Melvin is the Heyokha or Contrary of the gun and survival forums.
And maybe the chief one of the Fugawe Tribe.
And maybe the chief one of the Fugawe Tribe.
...there's no reason to BOTHER with the rifle. Except for the fact that you can't stalk or shoot well enough with the pistol, that is.
Do you remember that, John? I do, distinctly. I switched from a .357 levergun and .357 handgun, to just a .45-caliber handgun. You said it was stupid. Of course, it was because you hate revolvers, but you did say it was stupid. And here you say "there's no reason" to NOT do the very thing that had previously called stupid....about two years before Gunkid posted this I told him that I’d started carrying only a powerful handgun in the woods, and had quit carrying a rifle because it was too much hassle to keep actually ‘on you’ while working. Of course he called me an idiot for doing so.
See Melvin's such a Contrary that he even, and often, contradicts himself.🙄
sometimes in the same postSee Melvin's such a Contrary that he even, and often, contradicts himself.🙄
get hassled by who? Here, everyone is assumed to be armed in the woods. I encounter Fish & Game, Border Patrol, and other Law Enforcement agencies all the time. Other than F&G asking to see a license during hunting season, I’ve never been hassled.feasible to carry a pistol, even in "woods", cause you STILL get hassled, and it's STILL just a pointless 5 more lbs, and a lot of carrying hassle, over the 1.5 lb pistol. U guys dont even understand the BASICS. If it aint big game season, which is about 1-2 weeks nearly everywhere, there's no reason to BOTHER with the rifle. Except for the fact that you can't stalk or shoot well enough with the pistol, that is.
and you really should look up game regulations sometime. In the area I hunt Coues deer, there are 4 rifle seasons, one hand gun season, an archery season, and a combo handgun, archery and muzzle loader season.
varmint hunting is year round, javelina season has multiple hunts, and you’re allowed two a year.
you can pretty much hunt every day of the year.
If you add in varmint hunting it's the same here pretty much.
Then with the carry laws here, yeah I know, a shorty AR"pistol" is 365 24/7 okay.
Gonna go back eventually to my .300BO project soon.
Then with the carry laws here, yeah I know, a shorty AR"pistol" is 365 24/7 okay.
Gonna go back eventually to my .300BO project soon.
Melvin, why can't I carry this rifle virtually anywhere I want to go in Canada
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...cause you STILL get hassled
Maybe gunkid gets hassled. Certainly not an issue in my part of the world. I was in walmart yesterday getting a sandwich for lunch, and the guy in front of me was riding one of those electric buggy/cart things they have, with a holstered revolver on his belt. Nobody "hassled" him or even commented on it. And having a rifle in the woods is almost certainly less likely to cause a fear or hostility response than open-carrying a handgun in a retail store. But yes, carrying a rifle in the woods marks you as a brigand in gunkid's world apparently.get hassled by who?
That said, I think I may finally understand why gunkid claims that pre-shtf, only a pistol makes sense; while post-shtf, the rifle is king. Could it be due to the fact that him being caught with ANY firearm now in normal times, is a trip back to prison, so ANY gun must be concealed? Even if it's a rifle, it must be disassembled and concealed down your pant leg or in a pack. And in the imagined post-shtf wandering-hobo-of-the-apocalypse scenario, the laws of man no longer exist, so he'd be able to brandish & caress his beloved rifle all day long. Wonder if it's really that simple..?
A rifle is a superior weapon to a pistol, otherwise we'd be sending our soldiers into battle with pistols and not rifles. Rifles are more lethal, accurate, and have longer reach. They also tend to hold more ammo, in the case of a modern sporting rifle like the AR-15.feasible to carry a pistol, even in "woods", cause you STILL get hassled, and it's STILL just a pointless 5 more lbs, and a lot of carrying hassle, over the 1.5 lb pistol. U guys dont even understand the BASICS. If it aint big game season, which is about 1-2 weeks nearly everywhere, there's no reason to BOTHER with the rifle. Except for the fact that you can't stalk or shoot well enough with the pistol, that is.
The AR-15 works very well on medium game, like coyotes - this means it can be used pretty much year round if you choose to.
I'm wondering who it is that actually doesn't understand the basics...
A rifle wins in most all categories except concealability. Not only is the rifle more capable in equally-competent hands, it takes much less time & training to achieve an equivalent level of competence with a rifle compared to a pistol.A rifle is a superior weapon to a pistol, otherwise we'd be sending our soldiers into battle with pistols and not rifles. Rifles are more lethal, accurate, and have longer reach. They also tend to hold more ammo, in the case of a modern sporting rifle like the AR-15.
Someone with basic levels of instruction will be more capable with a carbine than with a pistol, and someone with advanced levels of instruction will be more capable with a carbine than a pistol. And someone with one hour of training on both, will be more capable with the carbine than with the pistol. I suspect that anyone who's taught people to shoot has encountered that phenomenon.
Slightly different topic, but one of the things I wish I'd done different when I was young is that I never took the time to get really good with a shotgun. I'm okay with one, but don't have near the time with them that I do with pistols & carbines. I never really gave it much thought until I saw how good one of my sons is with a shotgun. He's not 30 yet and his eyesight, reflexes, hand speed, and probably IQ, are better than mine have ever been. When he misses a shot with a shotgun, he can tell you where he missed ("I was eight inches behind it", etc), because he sees the shot column as it travels. I've never been anywhere near that level of ability with one.
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