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Most of the fun of hunting comes from using the ccw pistol to take game that others need a scoped rifle to take.

With the HBAR, and .560 BC 90 gr VLD's, the 223 BADLY outperforms the M1A as a sniper rifle. It's got a lot less drift and drop than the 168 gr hpbt 308 match load, and it's got a lot less shifting of POI and group spreading, from the gas system and bedding problems that have always plagued the M1A. 223 ammo and components have always cost less than the 308 stuff, and the AR scope mounting system has always been a far better deal than that silly "T" slot in the receiver of the M1A. The HBAR retains the use of the .22 unit, if one uses the 60 gr Aquila subsonic. The 1 in 7" rifling-twist is a bit much for proper- stabilization of the 40 gr subsonic bullet. With the right baffling, and for really long-range use, you can get-away with only 6" of can being added to the muzzle of a 24" 223. So it's no more "unhandy" than a 26" barreled 12 ga pump. The 12 ga needs a much longer bolt, and a much longer bolt-stroke than does the 223, ya see
 

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Please provide a source document for the above figures. Can 90 grain VLD .223 bullets fit in a standard magazine? I've no experience with reloading .223 past 69 grain bullets.
 

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With the HBAR, and .560 BC 90 gr VLD's, the 223 BADLY outperforms the M1A as a sniper rifle. It's got a lot less drift and drop than the 168 gr hpbt 308 match load
Please find wher ethere is a .224 90gr vld listed here http://www.bergerbullets.com/catalog.htm. It's not there, you've been told at least three times now that a .224 90gr VLD doesn't exist, you've never countered that, so why you are comparing a mythical bullet to a 168 30 cal I have no idea.

A proper comparison would be to .308 CAL 168 GRAIN LTB or the 175gr SMK, but even those comparisons aren't the best because unlike your mythical .224 90 gr VLD the above 30cal bullets can be magazine feed, a 90gr VLD could not be mag fed, not even for one round.

30 cal, hits harder and does it further out, it's indisputable.
 
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