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your little ego can't HANDLE the lack of success? You can't be bothered to build THAT much skill as a pistolero and hunter, or what? Rifles are for WAR, or serioius foraging. Nobody has to hunt anymore, so the rifle is just in case of ww3, really. That's why I dont bother with any rifle but the CAR-15, and mostly just practice with the .22 unit. Why waste the time and money on more? The 223, with the can mounted on it, is unbelievably "tame", so anything that can be done, on the targets and the timer, is also easily done with the canned 223. So why KID yourself that you can do as well with a noisy 308, and with no ear protection, hmm? Any little kid can see that you wont be doing anything of the kind.
 

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You know,you would get a better response if you took the time to either a)post a question & ask for/wait for a response.Or b)try to spit out only one "topic"per post.You're constant self patronizing posts that say basically nothing are getting a might old.
BTW,if you actually were someone who had been there-done that methinks that you might want to guide the newbies.as opposed to constantly wanting to rub peoples noses into your imaginary mud.
As a teacher,frankly,you need help.:alien: :alien:
 

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Just how quiet would a "can" make a .223 projectile exiting the barrel at 3000 fps?
 

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Just how quiet would a "can" make a .223 projectile exiting the barrel at 3000 fps?
Rich, it reduces the sound of the escaping propellant gas, but the "crack" of the bullet's shock wave is unaffected.

When I have tested M4's with suppressors of different manufacture, the resulting sound was similar to that of an unsuppressed .22LR rifle.
 

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I think the key for making it sport is to hunt them (whitetails) on the ground without blinds and certainly not from up in a tree. Especially in the close confines of the big woods. Much sport in studying trails and food sources. Use of the wind critical of course. Can't hardly move at all.
Only then as a secondary factor is the type of firearm used a sport factor. But once I do all that and get a hard won shot at close quarters, I do like my AR shorty for deer. But I like the peep sighted Marlin .30/30 too.
 

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then the cans you used were POOR ones

even on an auto, with the ejection port noise probably doubling the sound signature, a canned 11" CAR-15, using full charge 223, can be repeatedly rapidfired from inside a 10' square steel building, with the door half down, with zero effects on your ears. That's certainly not true of a .22 rifle, with regular "high speed" 40 gr lr ammo.
 

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Paco,
That's the way I like to hunt the blacktails here in the NW. Still hunting then standing and watching.
I just picked up a '49 mod 94 .32 spl that I'd like to give a try this year.
 

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then the cans you used were POOR ones...
They were manufactured by different companies to a common standard. The M-4's were refurbished. The M-4's had new barrels and flash suppressors. Both the suppressors and the M-4's were part of a DOJ purchase.
 

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if it's just sport, why not use a ccw pistol? your little ego can't HANDLE the lack of success? You can't be bothered to build THAT much skill as a pistolero and hunter, or what? Rifles are for WAR, or serioius foraging. Nobody has to hunt anymore, so the rifle is just in case of ww3, really. That's why I dont bother with any rifle but the CAR-15, and mostly just practice with the .22 unit. Why waste the time and money on more? The 223, with the can mounted on it, is unbelievably "tame", so anything that can be done, on the targets and the timer, is also easily done with the canned 223. So why KID yourself that you can do as well with a noisy 308, and with no ear protection, hmm? Any little kid can see that you wont be doing anything of the kind.
Maybe we just enjoy hunting with a rifle, muzzleloader or single action revolver.
 

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I get this vision of walking through the woods with a ccw tucked into the pants. Just minding your own business so the deer won't suspect your intentions. Then, when your within 7 yards, you whip it out (hands from the side, elbows bent at 45 degrees)and with .18 splits you empty the clip. Yeah, that's sport huntin' ;)
 

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..and then the boar you just 17 times with your high capacity 9mm Luger broadside to the ribs runs off with nothing more than a cracked rib or two thanks to their "shield."

(The above is losely based on a true a incident.)

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your little ego can't HANDLE the lack of success? You can't be bothered to build THAT much skill as a pistolero and hunter, or what? Rifles are for WAR, or serioius foraging. Nobody has to hunt anymore, so the rifle is just in case of ww3, really. That's why I dont bother with any rifle but the CAR-15, and mostly just practice with the .22 unit. Why waste the time and money on more? The 223, with the can mounted on it, is unbelievably "tame", so anything that can be done, on the targets and the timer, is also easily done with the canned 223. So why KID yourself that you can do as well with a noisy 308, and with no ear protection, hmm? Any little kid can see that you wont be doing anything of the kind.
Jealous much? We choose to do things because we CAN, because we enjoy doing them. It’s my money to spend how I want.

tame is the keyword here. You’re recoil shy and afraid of noise. It shows in all your posts.

I enjoy hunting. It builds skills: Hitting moving targets, bushcraft, stalking, the art of concealment.

I hunt with: handguns, rifles, and a bow.

while you puff your chest and try to look big, we are out doing stuff. You’re a poser, a pogue. Give it a rest.
 

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then the cans you used were POOR ones

even on an auto, with the ejection port noise probably doubling the sound signature, a canned 11" CAR-15, using full charge 223, can be repeatedly rapidfired from inside a 10' square steel building, with the door half down, with zero effects on your ears. That's certainly not true of a .22 rifle, with regular "high speed" 40 gr lr ammo.
LOL, LOL, LOL, no.

Supersonic ammo. Supersonic ammo. You get two nice sound spikes, the shot itself and the sonic crack of the bullet. How many DB is the sonic crack of a .223 in an enclosed building - do you know? Now, what about the shot itself, how many DB is it?
 
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