liveror spleen, with .45 ball,would you expect him to drop INSTANTLY? I've shot dozens of dogs with many loads, and I don't expect 223 sp's to ALWAYS succeed with such hits, altho its probably 98+% likely to succeed. So WHY expect such a load to stop an enraged, desperate,or doped up 200 lb man, hmm? to do so is unrealistic. If a guy is so OUT of it that he doesn't stop at just the sight of your gun, what you are dealing with is a super adrenalized, 200 lb ANIMAL, and you'd better have a LOT more ft lbs and destruction on tap than .45 ball offers. Millions of guys lie about lots of things, all the time, and the "stopping power' of .45 ball ammo is just one of them.