[andy]

will probably belong to HIM, in short order, if you dont have cover yourself. If you have cover, WHY WASTE the few 308's you can carry, shooting at what you can't see, and PROBABLY can't penetrate? Doing so is just stupid, in nearly every case.

 

[RIKA]

I can't imagine why you keep saying that we're stupid unless you really know that you, yourself, are stupid and are just hoping for a little company. Wake up. We aren't all your enemies though your ego might wish it were so.

RIKA

 

[Garand]

If the balloon ever goes up and your stupid enough not to pay attention and walk into an ambush, it really doesn't matter what your carrying. If the ambush site has been properly selected and the ambushers properly deployed and are capable of maintaining proper discipline, then your kit will be taken off your cold dead body. End game.

 

[brass hammer]

he fears penatration!

much like the formidable[sp] effects of shotgun blasts at night.




he shudders at the thought of being 'peperred'

i have 'rolled the bones' while chanting and have READ that his demise WILL BE FROM A shotgun!







thanks.

 

[krept]

don't you think that if the guy behind cover (or concealment?) were to see a couple holes poke through his sanctuary he might change his tactics? i.e. try to flank, retreat?

i guess i'm kind of coming in late on this one... some predetermined scenario behind it?

cheers

 

[Magnum88C]

Yeah, the short bus rider thinks he's going to be able to ambush people and shoot anyone he wants in the back and no one will ever see, track, find or hit him, not matter. what.

 

[mrostov]

......shooting at what you can't see

Just because an opponent is behind cover DOESN'T necessarily mean that you don't know where he is.

Being able to punch through a tree or an automobile has it's advantages.

 

[Hard Ball]

Do a little resarch and find out how much solid wood a .308 FMJ bullet will penetrate.

 

[TODD 3465]

That's why I prefer .308 when in the woods. Even the shorty .308's outdo shorty CAR's. When I read one article on the new M1-A/SOCOM-16 they mentioned some gunsmith in the USA whom made up some shorty M-14's for, I think, the Columbian???anti-drug forces. Seems they were so effective one of the drug cartels put out a bounty on him.
Anyone happen to read that article or know more about what I'm refering to?

 

[Aslan]

Cover, by definition provides protection. Concealment doesn't. Your argument is screwy to begin with.

But, if firing a few rounds causes the other guy to keep his head down while you get to cover, then they aren't wasted rounds.

You throw out really contrived scenarios, thinking they somehow prove something, but in reality they only underscore two things - a complete underestimation of everyone else and a lack of tactics.

It's part of your "Everyone will be standing in the open" claims, while you will be totally invisible.

Just remember, what is cover to a .223 is merely conealment to a .308

:devil:

 

[Hard Ball]

"Just remember, what is cover to a .223 is merely conealment to a .308"

Right on Aslan

 

[Dorobuta]

will probably belong to HIM, in short order, if you dont have cover yourself. If you have cover, WHY WASTE the few 308's you can carry, shooting at what you can't see, and PROBABLY can't penetrate? Doing so is just stupid, in nearly every case.

I'll bite:

1. how few .308 rounds are we carrying? you seem to know how much ammo we will have, spell it out.
2. why are we in this firefight? The why dictates strategy and goals. If all we need to do is break contact, then that's what we will do. If we are pinned down, then the goal changes. Please spell out the scenario - nobody (not even you) has a clue of what is going on in your feeble mind.
3. what type of cover? again, without any context - something you apparently are incapable of ever providing, how can we respond?
4. If they are shooting at us, then they are exposed when doing so. Again, what is the scenario?

can you even put a coherent post together without just starting mid-thought? how about a title, like: "blindly shooting a barricade is a bad idea" then, in the body of the post, you can start by describing the scenario. Then people might see the wisdom of your posts instead of the stupidity.

 

[Dorobuta]

will probably belong to HIM, in short order, if you dont have cover yourself. If you have cover, WHY WASTE the few 308's you can carry, shooting at what you can't see, and PROBABLY can't penetrate? Doing so is just stupid, in nearly every case.

Nobody, other than you, is planning on wasting rounds shooting at something blindly. Aimed shots are aimed. You seem to be the only person claiming that people with .308s are somehow compelled to shoot at things they can't see. Can you explain why that is? What magic property of a .308 makes you shoot at things you can't see?

You've constantly claimed that a few hundred rounds of .223 is all you need, why would you need more .308 than that? (although, my load out will be more than a couple hundred rounds of any caliber I choose)

I'm currently configured for .223, but I keep thinking I'll swap out my magazines on my carrier for .300 blackout.

 

[BigEd]

Yeah the Tard keeps up like a broken record of anyone using anything else than a .223 pistol is going to be standing out in the open like on a shooting range firing line.🙄

 

[Dorobuta]

will probably belong to HIM, in short order, if you dont have cover yourself. If you have cover, WHY WASTE the few 308's you can carry, shooting at what you can't see, and PROBABLY can't penetrate? Doing so is just stupid, in nearly every case.

figured I'd expand on my comments to this thread, since it popped up on the recommended reading list again...

The problem with this post - Andy has decided, and failed to communicate, the type of cover the attacker is using. We don't know, and cannot be allowed to know - that way we can not show where his errors are. It's a juvenile way of being always right. We ignored a detail he never told us.

The reality is, if there is a reason to engage the person behind cover, then we will assess the situation. If there isn't a reason, we will flee the area.

If the cover, isn't very effective, then we can pretty much tell where the attacker is, because he is attacking us. We can shoot him through the cover. On the other hand, if the cover is effective, we can wait for him to try to shoot us and then try to shoot him - again assuming there's some compelling reason for us to stick around and engage him. Plus, we have a pretty good idea of where he will be shooting from, since we are in a firefight.

Tactics change if we are not alone and it is a single shooter, and vice-versa. Because then things like flanking, suppressive fire, etc all become a thing for one side or the other.

If someone's dug in, and we don't need to engage them, then we won't.

 

[Garand]

During the years that Melvin and I have bantered back and forth, I have come to realize that Melvin's bushcraft, his knowledge of small unit tactics and long range marksmanship are minimal. Given his criminal "experience", if he ever travels outside of the black top jungle he lives in, his life expectancy will be minimal.

 

[BigEd]

Actually if he ever was in a real blacktop jungle his silly butt would be eaten alive.
I could guess why most of his cricriminal enterprises failed miserably.
He got ratted out because no one liked his attitude on the street.
And probably was working on someone's turf also.