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I have talked with Dave about this situation a LOT. Bear in mind that Dave and his attacker were in a dance of death together. The attacker had a samurai sword shoved into Dave's adbomen and trying to shove it straight on through. Dave had his hand on the hilt trying to prevent the guy from doing it. They were practically nose to nose at that time.
When he reached into his pocket and remembered the .25 auto, he had only to pull it out and just about put the barrel of the gun into the eye socket of the bad guy. I'll bet he didn't even have to fully extend his arm to do that. With the adrenalin pumping and the speed up time that facing death had his mind racing, I think it would be simple to fire off 4 shots with that Beretta easily within 1 to 2 seconds. The Beretta isn't going to recoil much, and the bad guy really couldn't go anywhere quickly because the two of them were holding onto each other.
Try it with a clothing store dummy. Bet you can put those 4 shots into the head easily before it even moves. Or even use a small melon. I have a .25 Beretta and I don't believe this would be any superhuman feat at all to do.
When he reached into his pocket and remembered the .25 auto, he had only to pull it out and just about put the barrel of the gun into the eye socket of the bad guy. I'll bet he didn't even have to fully extend his arm to do that. With the adrenalin pumping and the speed up time that facing death had his mind racing, I think it would be simple to fire off 4 shots with that Beretta easily within 1 to 2 seconds. The Beretta isn't going to recoil much, and the bad guy really couldn't go anywhere quickly because the two of them were holding onto each other.
Try it with a clothing store dummy. Bet you can put those 4 shots into the head easily before it even moves. Or even use a small melon. I have a .25 Beretta and I don't believe this would be any superhuman feat at all to do.
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So, I guess it IS possible. How you can be so wrong so often and still be alive is a mystery.223 fan said:that it's IMPOSSIBLE to shoot an attacker in the eye, 4x , with a .25 auto. If the eye was hit 4x, the last 3 were as he laid there on the floor, dropped by the first hit to the eyeball.
Had you asked how it was possible instead of ATTACKING FIRST (like you always do), you probably would have gotten a polite answer and no one would be pointing out how dumb you made yourself look.
In your haste to make yourself look so big, you fell very short.
But it's always the other guy that attacks you first in the forums - right? just like this thread that YOU started with an attack.
Does it physically hurt to be that stupid?
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Huh?
The first shot is self defense but after that it's murder? You lost me on that one.
The first shot is self defense but after that it's murder? You lost me on that one.
that's RIGHT, dummy. The first shot to
the EYe STOPS the attack. firing 3 more into his eyeball, as he lays on the floor (the ONLY way 3 more shots COULD be put into the eyeball) is MURDER. The attack STOPPED, and you KEPT firing, into the head of an incapacitated man. That's MURDER. What Mirules did to Platt and Matix was MURDER. The 2 robbers were bled out, disarmed, and unable to do jack crap. Mirules walked up and shot them in the head, 3x each. Had he been a civilian, instead of a Fed, he'd be on Death Row.
the EYe STOPS the attack. firing 3 more into his eyeball, as he lays on the floor (the ONLY way 3 more shots COULD be put into the eyeball) is MURDER. The attack STOPPED, and you KEPT firing, into the head of an incapacitated man. That's MURDER. What Mirules did to Platt and Matix was MURDER. The 2 robbers were bled out, disarmed, and unable to do jack crap. Mirules walked up and shot them in the head, 3x each. Had he been a civilian, instead of a Fed, he'd be on Death Row.
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BS.... YOU talk about the "splits" you can shoot and how rapid fire you are. How long would it take you to fire off 4 shots with a Beretta .25 when you are supercharged on adrenaline and fighting for your very life? You are shooting at a golf ball sized target less than 1 foot from the end of the barrel. What MOA does that equate to at 25 yards?
Secondly take ANY self defense course and take notes. They TELL you to keep on firing until the attacker is neutralized and DO NOT count on one shot doing the job. Most teach double taps as a matter of course. This is in courses taught by LEOs, btw.
Secondly take ANY self defense course and take notes. They TELL you to keep on firing until the attacker is neutralized and DO NOT count on one shot doing the job. Most teach double taps as a matter of course. This is in courses taught by LEOs, btw.
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Exactly, now if he were laying there, still, and you put more rounds in him that might be different.
The continuation of fire is what I was taught also. Don't stop after the first shot to admire your work.
The continuation of fire is what I was taught also. Don't stop after the first shot to admire your work.
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Heck, in Dave's shoes, bleeding from multple stab wounds, I would have no choice but to make sure my attacker was stone dead, because I would likely be going to pass out at any moment. Once that happens and the attacker is still alive and can still move, YOU won't be waking up later on.
As long as you feel your life is in immediate lethal danger it's self defense. A hit to the eyeball is not a guaranteed fight stopper. If it doesn't penetrate the skull to cause trauma to the brain it won't stop the guy from trying to kill you.
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well, since he can't legally own a firearm, he can't legally take a CCW course, or he'd KNOW what is being taught and why.
You shoot and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized. You don't pause after each shot and ask your assailant if they're done attacking you.
Bleeding and in the state he was in, hell, any REASONABLE person would have emptied the gun.
Before you open your mouth, GK, you might want to try THINKING first.
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You shoot and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized. You don't pause after each shot and ask your assailant if they're done attacking you.
Bleeding and in the state he was in, hell, any REASONABLE person would have emptied the gun.
Before you open your mouth, GK, you might want to try THINKING first.
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Oh yeah, they're the same guy. There's even at least one thread where he's holding a discussion with himself.gripper said:I gotta ask...Andy and GK(.223 Fan)...are you guys both the same guy?Every time someone opens up a post with the word "punk",it just shines thru...know what I mean?
hey GK, have you decided which one of your names is really JJ?
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HIT that eye socket, frontally, he's going
down like a ROCK. u AINT putting ANY more hits into his eye socket, cause his head is going to BOUNCE off of the deck, in 3/4 second after you get such a hit. That's 6 ft drop in 3/4 second, and no you do NOT hit such a mark again, at ALL, much less THREE MORE TIMES, , as it falls at a rate of 8 fps, bsers. Once he's falling, much less on the ground(from a hit to the eye socket), he is no LONGER an immediate threat to you,and ANY further shooting on your part is MURDER. I knew several guys who did MANY years in prison, because they were as stupid as you are about such things.
What Mirules did to Platt and Matix was MURDER, and if a civilian had done, or in the future DOES such a thing, he's going to prison, most likely indeed.
down like a ROCK. u AINT putting ANY more hits into his eye socket, cause his head is going to BOUNCE off of the deck, in 3/4 second after you get such a hit. That's 6 ft drop in 3/4 second, and no you do NOT hit such a mark again, at ALL, much less THREE MORE TIMES, , as it falls at a rate of 8 fps, bsers. Once he's falling, much less on the ground(from a hit to the eye socket), he is no LONGER an immediate threat to you,and ANY further shooting on your part is MURDER. I knew several guys who did MANY years in prison, because they were as stupid as you are about such things.
What Mirules did to Platt and Matix was MURDER, and if a civilian had done, or in the future DOES such a thing, he's going to prison, most likely indeed.
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Re: HIT that eye socket, frontally, he's going
You're claiming that if you and I are locked in each others grip, that a single shot into your eyesocket will instantly cause my grip AND your grip to relax, and they you will instantly drop to the floor faster than the normal acceleration due to gravity.
You're also claiming that even though I continue to pull said trigger with gun jammed into your eye, that all subsequent shots will fail to track the gun barrel (inserted into your eye socket) and will hit someplace else.
Being jammed into your eyesocket, the barrel would be falling at the same rate as the head. Since My hand is holing on to the gun, the rate of fall would be somewhat slower. Also since we are holding on to each other, the descent would be slower still.
Not to mention that the head, being attached to a body won't fall like a rock or a basketball. The position of the body, the tension in the muscles, etc will all affect what happens.
You can claim all you want, but the know facts and the known scenarion don't necessarily support your claims.
(actually an object accelerates as it falls at 9.8 m/sec squared.)
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Lets try this very very slowly...andy said:
You're claiming that if you and I are locked in each others grip, that a single shot into your eyesocket will instantly cause my grip AND your grip to relax, and they you will instantly drop to the floor faster than the normal acceleration due to gravity.
You're also claiming that even though I continue to pull said trigger with gun jammed into your eye, that all subsequent shots will fail to track the gun barrel (inserted into your eye socket) and will hit someplace else.
Being jammed into your eyesocket, the barrel would be falling at the same rate as the head. Since My hand is holing on to the gun, the rate of fall would be somewhat slower. Also since we are holding on to each other, the descent would be slower still.
Not to mention that the head, being attached to a body won't fall like a rock or a basketball. The position of the body, the tension in the muscles, etc will all affect what happens.
You can claim all you want, but the know facts and the known scenarion don't necessarily support your claims.
(actually an object accelerates as it falls at 9.8 m/sec squared.)
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i can slap supine, on concrete, from erect
standing, in 3/4 second, without getting hurt. Well, actually on my side. The trick is to bend one knee a lot, raising the other leg in front of you, curling the torso, and slapping the ground as you fall backwards and "rock" the torso. The entire forearm and palm contact the deck VERY hard, as the force of falling is "spread" up the torso, by the rounded shape and rocking motion of the torso. All this combines to let you drop that fast, to concrete, without harm. I KNOW how fast the body drops, and I ALSO know that you CAN'T get that many hits, that fast, on the eyesocket. You'd have to BEND OVER with the gun stuck in his orbital socket, EXACTLY following the head's path to the floor. The guy was obviously just LYING, and you bsers are just plain fos.
standing, in 3/4 second, without getting hurt. Well, actually on my side. The trick is to bend one knee a lot, raising the other leg in front of you, curling the torso, and slapping the ground as you fall backwards and "rock" the torso. The entire forearm and palm contact the deck VERY hard, as the force of falling is "spread" up the torso, by the rounded shape and rocking motion of the torso. All this combines to let you drop that fast, to concrete, without harm. I KNOW how fast the body drops, and I ALSO know that you CAN'T get that many hits, that fast, on the eyesocket. You'd have to BEND OVER with the gun stuck in his orbital socket, EXACTLY following the head's path to the floor. The guy was obviously just LYING, and you bsers are just plain fos.
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