Libourel was really in touch with cutting

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andy

Discussion Starter · Jul 19, 2004

edge shooting. I told him it was no big deal to react, draw a lw commander from an IWB rig (openly worn) and get 6 hits on chest at 5m, with .45 ball ammo, in 2 seconds, and he said I was a fool. Then he CHECKED with some people, and found out that literally HUNDREDS of guys could do this, using a 1911, and quite of few of us could do it with an alloy framed Commander.

Hell, guys were doing same with 1911's in 1.70 seconds, back in the early 70's. No big deal. All you are talking about is 5 x .20 second split times, and a 1 second reaction, draw and hit for the first shot. Nothing really swift about any of that. A really fast hand can get the reaction, draw and hit in .80 second,and the 5 other hits in .90 second.

Just because YOU can't come close to doing a given thing doesn't mean jack squat. You are nothing but a class D shottist. Being 3x as good as you are is what being an A class shottist is all ABOUT.

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Garand

· #2 · Jul 19, 2004

Please post independent verification of your IPSC scores during the last 24 months! 34 year old "war stoies" are getting old, real fast.

brass hammer

· #3 · Jul 19, 2004

Libourel?

andy, please ! that guy keeps his light switchs working by writing for gun rags!!!! but i freely admit, when he said you were fos, he climbed a little higher
in my opinon of him so i guess i'll have to reevaluate mr.jan's verbage in the future! ol' boy.

thanks.

andy

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jul 19, 2004

then don't READ them, garnad. u sorry sack of <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>. If you'd like to bring $50,000, to make it worth my having to flee, I'll beat you at any course of pistol fire, WEAK HAND ONLY, punk. You never HAD any real shooting ability, so of COURSE you have to practice constantly. Ask any real master if he has to shoot a lot, to be able to still post Class A scores. None will tell you any different than what I say.

andy

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jul 19, 2004

yeah, u r that stupid, to "think" that such times and hits are not feasible.

Magnum88C

· #6 · Jul 19, 2004

andy said:
then don't READ them, garnad. u sorry sack of <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>.

See, there's that lack of self-control again. The same lack that puts major doubts on you having any real ability. Your claims of being able to miss fast enough to win a gunfight are along the same lines.

andy

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jul 19, 2004

I can EASILY miss YOU twice, , and still kill you, and let YOU start FIRST. U use a shirt to cover your belt rig, or FASTEN your coat. I start hand in pocket. I can react to your move, fire ONE miss, in .45 second, another in .17 second more, and then HIT you in .18 second more(at 10 ft) It's a SAFE bet that you can't react, make such a concealed draw and hit me in 1 second flat, minus your .20 second reaction time, .80 second. Plus you will be crapping your pants at my two "misses" being fired in your direction.

RIKA

· #8 · Jul 19, 2004

Your total assumption is that this is IPSC. No one but an idiot would give a vermin a chance. You would be dead before you even knew what hit you. This ain't the wild west you know.

RIKA

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andy

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jul 19, 2004

what he SAID, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>, is that I CAN'T miss and still win. I showed how I CAN.

andy

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jul 20, 2004

what it would REALLY go down like, of course, is I'd spot him a mile away, slip up, miss,but come VERY close to his head, 5-6 times, and he'd have a heart attack.

Magnum88C

· #11 · Jul 20, 2004

What the real deal is, is that you can't shoot worth a hoot. Sad thing is, you probably think that everyone is as inept as you are, since that seems to be your criteria. .45 sec + .17 sec + .18 sec = .8 sec total. For a HIT. Not necessarily a good hit or a fatal hit, just a hit. So a slower person say, draw, fire and hit you, in oh, .75 second. Result? You'll still get a hit, but it'll do you no good, as you're just as hit, probably worse, since the guy took the time to ensure a good hit.

Only a moron thinks high speed draw to two misses is a good idea in a gunfight. And only YOU would advocate walking your rounds onto your target at spitting range. . .LOL

Garand

· #12 · Jul 20, 2004

IPSC is NOT reality and gunkid, you have no real experience in the field. You might have been able to sneak from cell to cell, to keep bubba happy in the past but sneaking and peeking in the bush is a whole new ballgame.

In the past I read Jans articles and I was so impressed reading the 5-6 articles he wrote on the 2" S&W M15, that I went out and bought one. He didn't lie, its a very accurate, great handgun.

Stillwater

· #13 · Jul 22, 2004 (Edited by Moderator)

You're Bull Squatting again TARD ...

andy said:
edge shooting. I told him it was no big deal to react, draw a lw commander from an IWB rig (openly worn) and get 6 hits on chest at 5m, with .45 ball ammo, in 2 seconds, and he said I was a fool. Then he CHECKED with some people, and found out that literally HUNDREDS of guys could do this, using a 1911, and quite of few of us could do it with an alloy framed Commander. Hell, guys were doing same with 1911's in 1.70 seconds, back in the early 70's. No big deal. All you are talking about is 5 x .20 second split times, and a 1 second reaction, draw and hit for the first shot. Nothing really swift about any of that. A really fast hand can get the reaction, draw and hit in .80 second,and the 5 other hits in .90 second.

Just because YOU can't come close to doing a given thing doesn't mean jack squat. You are nothing but a class D shottist. Being 3x as good as you are is what being an A class shottist is all ABOUT.

I see you're name dropping again. Ask Libourel, if you know him, if he knows the guy named Bill, that worked at Kings Gun Works. There were two Bill's there. Ask him if he knows the one that worked the sales room, not Bill Capone the gunsmith.

I just talked to him and told him about you're being an ex-con and he didn't remember you at all. You see, I have known Jan Libourel since 1976. When he was an out-of-work customer, before he got on with Peterson Publishing.

If you know Jan Libourel so well, tell me what country he came from. Tell me how big he is. Jan has an speech accent, tell me what it sounds like.

And you didn't say anything like that to Jan, because like me, he knew all of the big name shooters, and their accomplishments. Jan was pretty good with a 1911 himself, so nothing you purport/allege to do could impress him.

Want to impress some shooters. Demonstrate you skills to me, and I will verify them to everybody out here. I will even drive to Pagosa Springs, CO to watch you do the demonstration. Better yet, I will video tape it so everybody can see how "Wonderful" you really are with a 45!

No guts, no glory! How about it?

You lose again, I win.

Bill

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Stillwater

· #14 · Jul 22, 2004 (Edited by Moderator)

andy said:
then don't READ them, garnad. u sorry sack of <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>. If you'd like to bring $50,000, to make it worth my having to flee, I'll beat you at any course of pistol fire, WEAK HAND ONLY, punk. You never HAD any real shooting ability, so of COURSE you have to practice constantly. Ask any real master if he has to shoot a lot, to be able to still post Class A scores. None will tell you any different than what I say.

I have the money, in cash, to challenge you. Read my last post!

However, you're such a sh!tty loser that you will never have the cajones to answer a challenge.

Bill

Aslan

· #15 · Jul 22, 2004

Bill, if he does ever accept, it'l probably mean he is planning to ambush you and take the money, without ever having to actually face you.

Look at how he claims all the offers for him to come see us are really us trying to get someone killed. There's only one way that could even remotely be true...he plans on ambushing them and not facing them.

Just keep that in mind when making the arrangements....

But, I suspect you'll never actually hear him accept the offer. He'll just pretend you never posted and declare victory...

:devil:

Garand

· #16 · Jul 22, 2004

Well stated Stillwell.

Stillwater

· #17 · Jul 22, 2004 (Edited by Moderator)

Aslan said:
Bill, if he does ever accept, it'l probably mean he is planning to ambush you and take the money, without ever having to actually face you.

Look at how he claims all the offers for him to come see us are really us trying to get someone killed. There's only one way that could even remotely be true...he plans on ambushing them and not facing them.

Just keep that in mind when making the arrangements....

But, I suspect you'll never actually hear him accept the offer. He'll just pretend you never posted and declare victory...

:devil:

Aslan -- thank you. I already considered that he would try to take me. I am quiet a bit older than him, and have some physical difficulties. However, he won't stand a chance. I have four sons, that are grown men, that I have trained with firearms, and martial arts since they were little kids.

My sons, all veterans of Desert Storm 1, LAPD and the LASO, would not even consider the TARD to be a light work out. Not unless it was a BS contest, that is. Then he would beat all four of them, hands down!

Bill

Stillwater

· #18 · Jul 22, 2004

Hey Rich you got a problem with the word TARD? Are you protecting your star poster, or should I say star poser?

Oh, and since you like a lot posts, a lot of the frequent posters here are peopole that I informed about the forum, not the TARD!

Bill

Rich Z

· #19 · Jul 22, 2004

I will edit all threads and posts as necessary to keep the derogatory nature of the manner in which some people post here in check.

This applies to EVERYONE.

I don't give a flip about anyone's personal vendettas or what they did in the past, are doing in the present, and plan to do in the future anywhere outside of this site. I will judge the posts on their own merits (or lack thereof) as appropriate on THIS site.

You can either get with the program or not.

If I have to ask for help in the form of a moderator, it is quite possible that the moderator may be a whole lot less forgiving than I am. So it may be in everyone's best interests to just tone down the derogatory comments now.

Stillwater

· #20 · Jul 22, 2004

Rich Z said:
I will edit all threads and posts as necessary to keep the derogatory nature of the manner in which some people post here in check.

This applies to EVERYONE.

I don't give a flip about anyone's personal vendettas or what they did in the past, are doing in the present, and plan to do in the future anywhere outside of this site. I will judge the posts on their own merits (or lack thereof) as appropriate on THIS site.

You can either get with the program or not.

If I have to ask for help in the form of a moderator, it is quite possible that the moderator may be a whole lot less forgiving than I am. So it may be in everyone's best interests to just tone down the derogatory comments now.

Whats the matter Rich -- did you're star poster/star poser get his feelings hurt? We'll have to see how fair you are, won't we? From where I am reading, you're protecting MELVIN the MAGNIFICENT like he is made out of gold lame` instead of an ex-convict. Uh, Rich, is ex-convict too descriptive to use when referring to MELVIN?

Bill

Bill

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