andy said:
but the fact remains that you can easily HANDLOAD a good 110 gr sp to 1900 fps, and if you understand the limitations of the carbine, keep the shots sideways into the ribcage, and the ranges inside 50m, the Carbine will take every deer you hit properly, without it running more than 100 yds, and usually not more than 50m.
EVERY year, guys go deer hunting with shotguns, bead sights, muzzleloaders, and pistols with which they have NO more effective range than 50m, and NOBODY has more reach than that with a bow and arrow, and every year, thousands of guys take deer with arrows
Just because YOU are a bozo who can't figure out how to make the 30C effective doesn't mean John can't. I know for a fact that he DOES know how to do so.
Well GK, there's lot's of factors you leave out in your accusation.
First of all, deer population densities are not the same throughout the united states. There are areas where you will routinely encounter large numbers of deer at very close ranges, simply because there are lots of deer.
There are areas where you'd have to work pretty hard just to even glass a deer (think about coues in the southwest).
Terrain, like population density also plays a big role in what types of weapons are useful. There are areas where the shotgun would have a very hard time being used to harvet a deer. (150yd shots would be considered average range, with 250 being more realistic.)
You like to make blanket statements that conveniently leave out a lot of very pertinent information to support your claims.
Yes, there are places in the east where a shotgun would be more than adequate for deer. Places where a lot of hunting is done from stands. However, areas where spot and stalk is the only way to go, that may not hold true.
As far as Tery G's comment about the deer running as far as it did, it happens - even with proper shot placement.
I find it funny you doubt what he said, but like to claim that the .308 is useless because a rabit shot in the leg with one didn't die.
There was an informal study done a few years back about caliber vs distance a deer traveled after being shot.
the .25's (like 257 roberts, 25-06) had the shortest distances after being shot.
I had a mulie run about 150 yds once with no lungs and no heart. First shot took at the lungs and he didn't even react like he'd been shot, he just started running. I was able to hit him again when he turned and he kept running.
I finally caught up to him and he was down. When we gutted him, his lungs were gone and his heart was gone two. we could see where the bullets hit.
.280 rem, 140gr barnes X's.
I have no doubt that what Terry G reported about the deer is accurate.