MAC'S a SORRY-assed Carbine, Sights,

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andy

Discussion Starter · Jul 14, 2004

handling, and trigger pull SUCK. Especially the trigger pull. It fires from the open bolt (if it's a full auto, anyway) and that means it SLAMS the bolt home to fire a shot, and if you "think" that that AINT a MAJOR problem to accuracy, u r quite ignorant. Full auto(or shotgun) is the mark of the lame who is SCARED he can't handle things with semi auto. A bolt action is STILL a HORRIBLE handicap, at ranges MUCH greater than the 35m to which you MIGHT be able to make a suppressed MAC suffice. The auto still offers faster hits on multiple targets, MUCH faster hits on same target at 200m. You CAN miss, you know, especially while being shot-at. only idiots pretend otherwise.

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Aslan

· #2 · Jul 14, 2004

Wow, so far you've managed to spread what should be in one thread accross three threads.

How many threads will it take for you to actually complete a single discussion?

I find it amazing that you were incapable of finding even your last thread on this topic to post in.

Amazing discipline you show every day.

:devil:

andy

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 14, 2004

<font color=red>[**censored**]</font> your NECK, punk. What's it to u, anyway?

I wanted Hard Rock's bs up where EVERYONE can see it, that's all. I notice you CAN'T refute what I say about the FACTS of the gun-matters.

All a pos like you CAN do is carp about ME, from the sidelines. Why don't you go back to PN, u pos, and tell everyone THERE how much you 'know" about guns, shooting, etc, hmm? Because NONE of you know jack <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>, compared to what I know. You all come here to LEARN from ME.

Aslan

· #4 · Jul 14, 2004

you get refuted and shown to be wrong daily. You just pretend it never happened and declare victory.

Why don't you go back to your forum? Oh that's right, once we were able to stick your crap in one place where you couldn't push them off the page and deny they existed, you RAN.

Like you always run.

Maybe Rich could create a sticky thread here too. That would be a good idea - right gunkid?

:devil:

andy

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jul 14, 2004

show me ONE case, stupe, much less

"daily". If you COULD, you'd have QUOTED it, right here.

I make THOUSANDS of posts on these subjects, and you can't find even ONE such error to quote.

Aslan

· #6 · Jul 14, 2004

After doing so so many times and you running, it gets old.

How about anyone with any doubts, just go on over to patriotnetwork.net, go to the GunKid forum, and look through the sticky post at the top.

then you can make up your own mind.

how's that GK?

I don't even have to do anyhting new, just refer people to the site you ran away from.

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Aslan

· #7 · Jul 14, 2004

Re: show me ONE case, stupe, much less

223 fan said:
"daily". If you COULD, you'd have QUOTED it, right here. I make THOUSANDS of posts on these subjects, and you can't find even ONE such error to quote.

yep thousands of posts on the same crap, over and over and over again.

do you really want me to start posting links?

how about one of my favorites here, where you tried to claim a 1 in 13 probability was the same as a 1 in 2.

or where you claimed that a riot 12 gauge had a 26" barrel (of course you ran from that once your own post was added to your denial of such.)

how about all the claims that the .223 can do everything a .308 can do. At least now you're trying to use vld's from a 24" barrel to support your claim - I guess your poodle shooter won't cut it.

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andy

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jul 14, 2004

go ahead, stupe. I did NOT say a riot

gun has a 26" barrel, dumbass. U cant READ, that's all. I ALREADY showed everyone (who can READ, that is) that such a claim is bs. I never claimed that the 223 could do EVERYTHING that a 308 can. It can't waste as much money,for instance. I never SAID anyone NEEDS more range than the 11" CAR has, either. That is YOUR stupid ASSUMPTION, dummy. All I SAID was that if you WANT to waste your time and money on such things, the 223 CAN handle it.

I never said 1 in 13 was same as 1 in 2. I said ANYTHING not over 50%, 2 possible outcomes, is just LUCK. HOw "little' or how much LUCK is needed is irrelevant. SKILL has nothing to do with a less than 50% outcome, hit or miss, and in any case, such a POOR rate of return is NOTHING to base one's tactics or gear choices upon. If you can't do it 90+% of the time, in PRACTICE, you WON'T do it more than 50% of the time when someone's trying to KILL you, count on that, stupid. A 40% reduction in one's neuromuscular control, when under LETHAL attack, is NOTHING. More likely, it wil be MUCH worse.

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Hard Rock

· #9 · Jul 14, 2004

B

First of all, it's not a carbine, its an SMG. Yes, it's full auto, no it doesn't have a crappy trigger but then again, I'm an armorer, you obviously are not.

The M10 is designed to operate in what is known as CQB or about 50-75 yards. It performs this function perfectly. It is not designed to shoot at targets at 300 yards.

Yes, it operates from the open bolt but if you have any experience shooting open bolt guns, you know how to compensate for this.

The M-10 is a superb weapon to suppress. You cannot get your fantasy CAR-15 .223 as quiet as the M-10. It is smaller, more maneuverable and very controlable. If you can't control it, you don't know how to shoot it. It's that simple.

Lastly, this is an "oh sh*t" gun. You forget that I will not be alone and everyone with me will be armed. Most with AR-15's or M-16's plus a few other items.

Oh, and my M40 has a 24 inch barrel not a 26 inch barrel. Get it right moron.

Mike

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Aslan

· #10 · Jul 14, 2004

here's the 1 in 13:

o, stupe, it's NOT a 4 cards in the deck

issue. The odds STAY the same for EACH shot. If 50-50 is what they were for the first shot, that's what EACH shot is. Nothing changes. The deck is "reshuffled" each time, and all the cards are put back into it each time. So the odds of drawing an ace REMAIN 4 out of 52. Your MISS didn't change a THING, except maybe to make the guy move FASTER, dodge MORE often, shoot at you as he runs, get CLOSER to you, scaring you like the [**censored**] that you are. Shots blow your ears out, dazzle your eyes, upset you wben they miss All of those things make the odds of a hit WORSE, not better,dummy.

we are discussing shots that are either a hit or a miss. of course, you still didn't understand probability and were proven wrong in the thread (which you never went back to for some reason.)

here's a link so that people can see what you posted and the CONTEXT in which it was posted.

here you started a thread with:

THINK 26" barrel= handy riot 12 ga,

dummy? same OAL as 20" AR and 8" of can (another 4-6" of can is telescoped back around the barrel, or the gun WONT be very quiet, rapidfire, full charge 223 ammo.

of course, given your english skills, it is possible that you aren't saying that a 26" barrel is the same as a handy riot 12 ga. Though that IS the subject of the thread you started.

how does it feel so far to have your own posts used to show you are wrong?

should I continue? it's getting boring, and I think the point is made.

why don't you post where we've lied. you always claim that we do, yet we can post examples of your having done so, but you can't do the same about us. Interesting. I wonder what that might actually mean?

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Aslan

· #11 · Jul 14, 2004

Re: go ahead, stupe. I did NOT say a riot

223 fan said:
gun has a 26" barrel, dumbass. U cant READ, that's all. I ALREADY showed everyone (who can READ, that is) that such a claim is bs. I never claimed that the 223 could do EVERYTHING that a 308 can. It can't waste as much money,for instance. I never SAID anyone NEEDS more range than the 11" CAR has, either. That is YOUR stupid ASSUMPTION, dummy. All I SAID was that if you WANT to waste your time and money on such things, the 223 CAN handle it.

I never said 1 in 13 was same as 1 in 2. I said ANYTHING not over 50%, 2 possible outcomes, is just LUCK. HOw "little' or how much LUCK is needed is irrelevant. SKILL has nothing to do with a less than 50% outcome, hit or miss, and in any case, such a POOR rate of return is NOTHING to base one's tactics or gear choices upon. If you can't do it 90+% of the time, in PRACTICE, you WON'T do it more than 50% of the time when someone's trying to KILL you, count on that, stupid. A 40% reduction in one's neuromuscular control, when under LETHAL attack, is NOTHING. More likely, it wil be MUCH worse.

I guess mlb players shouldn't bother batting since their averages are under 50%. It's all just dumb luck, no skill involved. Curious though, why different players have different averages, after all it's below 50% so it HAS to be pure luck.

Interesting.

:devil:

RIKA

· #12 · Jul 14, 2004

Gunkid gets shot down in flames and rises from the ashes like a demonic Everready Bunny to come back for more. His terminal stupidity fits him well.

RIKA

Half elf

· #13 · Jul 14, 2004

On the subject of luck, I was taught that it looked like a bar graph down the vertical side was Your preparation level and across the bottom ran Your oppurtunity rating and where skill and oppurtunity crossed was Your resulting luck factor.

andy

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jul 14, 2004

they get FOUR tries, stupid, 4 pitches

or 3 swings, and ALSO stupid, there's a clean miss, a safe hit, a CAUGHT ball, and fouls. It's NOT a 2 possible outcome thing, stupid.

Aslan

· #15 · Jul 14, 2004

Oh, goody, you took the bait!

I'll let you wonder about this for a while....

but, you're making a nice set up.

So, you say that there are lot's of factors involved in batting averages.

good.

Aslan

· #16 · Jul 14, 2004

but there average is based on when they are at bat.

when it is their turn to bat, they will either get a hit or they won't.

but, you want to break down the at bat to the number of pitches they get while at bat.

Hmm, interesting.

But with more chances, they should have higher averages - no?

after all, they have three, and possibly more than four tries to get a hit.

Especially since their average is NOT based on the number of pitches, but on the number of times at bat.

what is the difference in batting average of a person that gets a hit on the first pitch vs the second or third?

Is Andy the one that can do math? and 223 fan is the one that knows how to shoot?

is that how it works?

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Magnum88C

· #17 · Jul 15, 2004

Aslan said:
Is Andy the one that can do math? and 223 fan is the one that knows how to shoot?

is that how it works?

Andy is the sock puppet and the smarter of the two.

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