[BigJon]

Was up in Tennessee this weekend with a few folks at our company's farm, just knocking around and looking over the food plots. The head farmer put me on the spot as our little group walked across a bridge. As usual, I had a .45, this time a full-sized Kimber TLE, hidden at five o'clock in a tuckable IWB holster.

"You got your pistol on you?"

"Not so's you'd notice. Why?"

"How long would it take you to hit that old tire down there in the stream?"

"That one down there about ten or twelve yards away? From what, with the gun in my hand, or with it concealed-holstered?"

"The latter."

"Oh, a couple of seconds."

"Wha? Sheeyit, right!"

"No. Really. Want me to do it?"

"Okay. On three then. Three, two, one. ... Why didn't you shoot?"

"Because you said 'on three', and then started counting backwards FROM three, you big idiot."

"Okay then, on three...."

"Wait, on three? Or on one-two-three-GO?"

"Okay, on 'go' then. Ready, One, two, three, GO!"

"Bang!"

"Well, damn."

As it usually does, it took me a full two seconds from relaxed ready with the t-shirt tucked over, but for me, that's not too bad. You hot-handed folks don't laugh at me now, you hear!

Best,
Jon

 

[Hard Ball]

Good shootting.

 

[RIKA]

:beer:

RIKA

 

[GBullet]

BigJon carries a sharp knife, too. Last year, I saw him whack a deer up in about 30 seconds.

Moral of the story: Don't go messin' with big ********!

 

[Magnum88C]

Nice shootin'

BigJon carries a sharp knife, too. Last year, I saw him whack a deer up in about 30 seconds.

Moral of the story: Don't go messin' with big ********!

Yeah, but can he hit that tire from the same distance and make the knife stick? :dgrin:

 

[BigJon]

My speed with a butchering knife is iversely proportional to the age of the deer. If the thing is so young that it still has spots, I can get one from ground to cooler in a matter of mere minutes!

 

[Glenn Bartley]

Really nothing wrong with your speed from a concealed carry. Of course it could be a bit faster but you can always practice at increasing the quickness of your draw. The thing is that you apparently know how to draw it from a concealed carry, many people do not. Go to a range and watch people shoot, rarely do they draw like this: concealed carry, reach for weapon and clear the concealment, draw, fire, scan the target and reholster - then recover back to where it is in the normal concealed carry mode and do it again, and again, and again...

This is true even at many law enforcement ranges. I watch time and time again, during regular qualifications, as the range instructor gives the commands leading to the firing sequuence about 1/2 of the shooters begin to tense up, then crouch to a ready position and move their hands onto their holstered firearms. On the other hand, a guy like me will still have my hands either limp at my sides, or in position for a field interrogation stance, or still held crossed behind my butt. Then when the instructor gives the command to fire, I go for my concealed weapon under my vest or jacket. I am not always the fastest by doing it my way. Yet, I almost guarantee that in a street encounter of the unexpected type, I will be able to go for my gun, find it where I know it will be, draw it, and fire faster than any of these young bucks who look so cool at the range! If they ever try to draw from concealed in a hot scenario, well they will likely have some problems even finding their guns.

Now if I go to that ready stance they take, knees bent, shoulders a bit hunched, strong side hand on grips of weapon, other hand a bit to the front - heck I could probably outdraw, not all, but most of the younger ones too and hit the target where it should be hit. The thing is I rarely practice that way, and usually don't draw that way during qualifications, although I will approach scenes somewhat like that during tactical shoots - because in reality on a raid or other tactical situation I know I am facing a dangerous situation - so I take that ready stance (but even then my hand is usually not on the firearm until I decide to draw). Most of what we do though is not knowingly walking into danger, but danger blind siding us (or someone at least trying to get the jump on us); that is why I usually draw from concealed at the range - like I would have to do in many if not most SHTF scenarios.

I am happy to see others doing it too. Drawing from concealed is a good way to practice, especially since it is the way most usually carry.

 

[Glenn Bartley]

John,

I just saw you draw from a concealed in which you have your T-Shirt over the pistol. As you go for the gun, do you clear the t-shirt with your shooting hand and then draw or do you use your weak hand to rip the shirt up and away and draw with the strong hand. The second one is much more efficient, more likely to assure the sirt is out of the way, and usually faster.

Best regards,
GlennB

 

[Magnum88C]

Glenn, good advice. Train like you fight, fight like you train and all that. Beauty of it is, draws can be practiced at home, anytime you've got some free moments. I like to load mine with snap caps. That way I can do draw, fire, reload drills (and not blow away the TV or mirror. . .).

You asked Jon, but I also carry IWB under t-shirts most of the time. I use the offhand to rip up the shirt, but also practice the draw such that my thumb is under the shirt, as I lift the hand, the thumb pulls the shirt away from the gun. Grip fingers grip the gun, thumb comes down and pops the snap as I'll pulling up on the gun. There's potential for the hamemr to snag on the garment this way, but I figure that if I'm drawing that way it's because I'm in close and the offhand it fending off the foe, at which point the drill is to just draw and fire from retention, so it shouldn't be a problem.

I use the same draw geometry whether of not I rip up on the garment, and I carry my guns in the same places (one strong hand, the other on the offhand side). That way i won't be trying to figure out where the gun is, or what draw to use at "crunch time".

Dunno if this is good practice or not, but it seems to work.

 

[Glenn Bartley]

sounds good to me, and I would recommend doing it both ways.

 

[andy]

was your jacket fastened, Jon? Any ear protection?

doesn't take much of the latter to make you sorry, later, ya know. There's .5-1.0 second of DECIDING to kill a man, which MAYBE you've semi-already done, or you can train yourself to do it AS you draw, while making the draw reflexive. I've had my gun "grow out of my wrist" a few times, and it was very nice to have that option, but I also once drew as I walked across my yard, because a car backfired, and that could easily be really bad news, depending upon where and when it occurred.

 

[Gun_crazy_JR]

:noevil: :noevil: .

 

[BigJon]

John,

I just saw you draw from a concealed in which you have your T-Shirt over the pistol. As you go for the gun, do you clear the t-shirt with your shooting hand and then draw or do you use your weak hand to rip the shirt up and away and draw with the strong hand. The second one is much more efficient, more likely to assure the sirt is out of the way, and usually faster.

Best regards,
GlennB

The latter; by the numbers, starting with Hackthorn rip. I'd only use my strong hand to clear if I were carrying under an outer garment such as a vest or jacket and holster was not covered.

 

[Aslan]

I just deleted a number of posts - I hated doing it, but I'm going to do the moderator thing to the best of my capabilities.

Once the insults and the threats started, it was time for the axe.

Any of you can start a thread in the pissing duel forum and continue the flames there.

:devil:

 

[RIKA]

Fair enough. I'll refrain from answering his "stuff" if you zap them.

RIKA

 

[BigJon]

... I also carry IWB under t-shirts most of the time. I use the offhand to rip up the shirt, but also practice the draw such that my thumb is under the shirt, as I lift the hand, the thumb pulls the shirt away from the gun. Grip fingers grip the gun, thumb comes down and pops the snap as I'll pulling up on the gun. There's potential for the hammer to snag on the garment this way, but I figure that if I'm drawing that way it's because I'm in close and the offhand it fending off the foe, at which point the drill is to just draw and fire from retention, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Mag - If my shirt is tucked, I always rip up with the offhand. I do it too if my t-shirt is untucked. For the important reasons you mentioned, though, I also practice with a one handed draw from tucked carry. My method is unorthodox, but it does work, at least for me. Since there's no way to get the shirt out of the way, I grab the pistol, shirt and all, and shoot straight through the shirt. You talked about geometry, and that is, in fact, key to this. Draw straight up and out, and then rotate the pistol into position. On the downward half of this, the shirt clears out of the way of the hammer, at least it does for me - every time, at least with a target right in front of me. Might cause problems with a target to my weak side that has it's arm around my neck though. Will keep experimenting.

Best,
Jon

 

[Glenn Bartley]

Firing from under or inside a garment is a good way to almost assure that your weapon, if a semi auto will fire only one shot. You are lucky to get off more than one. In practice maybe you do, but in a heated situation I doubt that the garment would not wind up pinched by the slide or the hammer thereby jamming the pistol. While such a jam is less likely with a revolver, jamming the revolver's mechanism is also quite possible when shooting like this. Of course you may have to shoot like this to survive an encounter, but I do not recommend it unless absolutely a last resort.