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I shoot my .45-70 cause I like to, that validates my ownership of it!
 

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I shoot my .45-70 cause I like to, that validates my ownership of it!
There's definitely something to be said for that. Last gun I bought was an El Patron from Uberti; an 1873 clone in .45Colt. Certainly didn't need it, but I knew I'd enjoy it, and having other guns in .45LC I already load the caliber.

"Personal enjoyment" is why I do a fair number of things - from having a radio in my truck to having more than one watch.
 

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Personal enjoyment. That is why I pick up some of the guns I do. Right now have found some nice Smiths, enjoy shooting them. Selling off things I don't care to shoot like a CZ75, a nice SAA, a High Power, decided I do not need 6 ARs so sold one, thinking about selling a M1A or trading it. Another one that is going to be history is a Model 317 Smith Airlite. Does not do a thing for me. Maybe a Super Blackhawk will go, rather shoot a 29. Might trade it for a Model 27 Smith.
Years ago (1977 or so) had a nice gun that just could not warm up to an really wanted to, a Ruger number 1 in 375 H&H mag. Shot nice looked fantastic but.
Traded it off at New Berlin Gun Show, John, you were there, do you remember what for? I forgot.
Another caliber I want nothing to do with is 40 an I have brass, dies, two molds for it but can't bring myself to ever get anything to shoot them. Give me a 400 CorBon!
Enough rambling, time to go pour some Unique in 45 LC cases!
 

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Always wanted a 45 70 but never got one. Another one I wanted was a 444 Marlin for deer hunting in MO but after loosing hunting partner in 1976, have not hunted. That was my Father.
 

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Big Bass Man, what is your load for .400 Corbon?
 

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Out of my barrels, using a 145gr. and a 175gr. cast bullet. 145, using 7.0 Unique. with the 175, using 6.5 Unique. Tried Titegroup, not sure how much, will go look. but did not cycle, too low. ( I do not care for TiteGroup in anything)
Want to try 700x and Red Dot.
Loads not too hot in a full size, brass looks good after firing, small primer pocket Starline brass.
Found a box of old CorBon in a shop that had a 11.00 price tag on it! Want to shoot it to compare. 165 JHP 1300fps 619 ft/lbs. That sounds hot to me! This summer, have to get another chrono.
Another thing I noticed was 145 load dropped brass almost in a pile, other one scattered it.
Never tried Jacketed bullets.
Anybody else up your way using it? Couple guys here are shooting some screeching hot loads, not sure if factory or what.
 

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I bought a couple of barrels about 5-6 years back. One for the Gov't Model & one for my Combat Commander. I wish to say that I've done some extensive testing but so far it all been with Unique and Blue Dot and "Montana Gold" 165 grain TMJ bullets. Overall length is 1.245".

I'm currently using sized .45 Super brass, just haven't had time to break in my virgin .400 CorBon brass. 7.5 grains of Unique gives me about 1208.7 fps. Moving up to 7.7 grains of Unique has given me 1537.8 fps.

The main problems that I have encountered are failures to feed, but I suspect I just need the barrel throated and polished. Hopefully by this fall I'll have more time for load development in .400
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Joe, after I added a barrel positioner to the slide of 'your" lw commander, swelled open the barrel bushing and added a thicker front sight for John, I got a 1" 5 shot group with it, 50 ft indoors, from Weaver. He treasured that thing after that. :)
 

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I don't know about 20gauge and Melvin.
But this thread made me again search for some Light field slugs and to my regret they appear to have been discontinued as far as I can tell.☹
 

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I don't see this as having any effect on the venerable 45-70. I still want one. a lever action 45-70 will be more handy than a 20 gauge shotgun in just about any scenario I can think of
 

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Fwiw, if by 'pointless' we mean 'is eclipsed by a better option', then that definition fits a whole lot of things. A rifle in .45-70 will run anywhere from 1200 to 3000 ft/lbs of energy, depending on whose ammo you're putting in it. While that's impressive, from a strict definition standpoint, it's still 'made pointless' by a similar-size gun in .454 Casull, which will run from 250 ft/lbs up to right at 3,000 ft/lbs. (I got over 2900 ft/lbs with some factory ammo from my 20" .454 carbine when I had one). They're both launching .45-caliber bullets, at roughly equivalent top-end power; but the .454 also gives you the option of more versatility at the lower end of the power spectrum, going down into ranges that the .45-70 wouldn't make sense for. Things like rabbit hunting with light .45Colt loads, etc. Plus there's the facts of lighter & more space-efficient ammunition (being able to fit twice as much .454/.45LC in the same space compared to .45-70).

Thing is, I don't have or want a .454 or .45-70 rifle either one. So I personally have no dog in this fight; just rambling on the realities of different calibers.

The same "eclipsed by a better option" principle holds true for any number of calibers. My main carry caliber is 9mm, but fact is, the 22TCM exceeds 9mm performance, and does it in 9mm-size guns, with less-than-9mm recoil. So if we're speaking strictly functionally, the 22TCM has objectively "made the 9mm pointless". But I'm still sticking with the 9mm; ymmv.

That said, the above comment isn't a slam on the 9x19 caliber either. The 9x21 caliber that irrationally gets praised here on occasion has absolutely been "made pointless" for anyone in the US, since the plain-jane 9mm is more capable, more powerful, more plentiful, and more affordable. Yet some people still find reason to praise it. Or maybe better said, "some people imagine and fabricate reasons to praise it".

And for that matter, even though the .223 is my main defensive-carbine caliber, is by far the most-used centerfire rifle caliber I own, and has been used by me from everything from plinking, to training, to actual military use, to taking whitetail deer, it has undeniably been "eclipsed by a better option" nowadays as well, by at least one caliber, and likely more than one. Functionally speaking, other than shoot rimfire stuff, the .300BK does absolutely everything the .223/556 does, does numerous things the .223 doesn't, and even fits in the same magazines. And with the new Sig Spear announcement by the military, even the largely-strawman "GI round" argument starts to become a non-issue as well. Just sayin'...
 
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