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Do you buy store bought factory ammo or are you building her some super dooper wild cat special?
 

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currently she's got some of the Corbon 100 gr stuff. Had to look all over hell for it and pay an arm and a leg. She can't be using the shtf stuff. Nobody'd believe that she made it.
 

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describe the "shtf stuff" please
 

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Your right. I don't believe it. You use "wifey" to supposedly do these things because you can't. It's all make believe.
 

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just because a twit like you couldn't, doesn't mean that I can't, punk
no, a whole bunch of other things mean you can't, haven't, and don't.

I won't even bother asking you to provide any proof, since we all know you can't.
 

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a hollow-based, hollow-pointed solid aluminum bullet same size and shape as the 85 gr silvertip from the 380 Winchester ammo. It's sawn nearly in half from both ends. 45 gr bullet, , 2200 fps from a 3" barrel, using the 9x21mm case. all you have to do is spin a 3" long, 3/8" aluminum rod in a drill and hold a dremel and file against the spinning rod. After you reduce one half of the length of the rod to .355", you flip the rod in the drill and repeat on the other end Then you shape the noses, hp them,cut it off with a hacksaw as it spines in the drill, repeat. Then cut the hollow bases. If you want to be precise with the saw cuts, you need to make a little "mold" like clamp, to be held in the vise of a horizonal mill and the use the thinnest slitting saw available to make the cut down the center of the long axis. For load developement, tho, a little exacto saw will suffice. The massive conical base cavity and .080" longer case let you add a couple more grs of bullseye The load is 8.0 grs. Yes, it takes all day to make 100 such bullets. But that's enough for the rest of your life. Test fire 50, and load a fresh 10 rds every decade, so that you know that the primer and powder are up to snuff. Seal the case mouth and primer with model airplane "dope". Lube the ccw gun only with LoKEase graphite, and just leave the chambered round where it is. It's very simple, actually, just tedious.
 

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Why bother to go through all that effort?? Serviceable ammunition capable of taking down both 2 and 4 legged predators can be manufactured in bulk in the same time, that has a proven track record?
 
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just because a twit like you couldn't, doesn't mean that I can't, punk
You can't do anything except punch a keyboard. "Wifey" does this. "Wifey" does that, Horse Pucky! She doesn't do anything and neither do you! Make a liar out of me, post some pictures of the guns and ammunition. You won't of course. As for "Punk" I hear you were one.
 

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**** you, punk, you old assholes aint the only ones who read this. What works, works. If you dont like it YOU create new material. I dont owe anyone anything, least of all YOU aholes. garand asked for this info, so take your bitching to him.
 

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a hollow-based, hollow-pointed solid aluminum bullet same size and shape as the 85 gr silvertip from the 380 Winchester ammo. It's sawn nearly in half from both ends. 45 gr bullet, , 2200 fps from a 3" barrel, using the 9x21mm case...
To each his own, but hand-filing a metal rod to 0.001" tolerances for the making of bullets & then loading them into an uncommon case (and needing an uncommon-caliber barrel) seems like not only a lot of hassle, but also a lot of risk; tolerance-stacking, variance in drilled-out HP cavities or cut-line depths, etc.

Why not just use a factory load that comes close to the same thing? There are 9mm factory loadings at pretty much every point on the spectrum, from 158 grain down to 50 grains. The Liberty Civil Defense is a 50-grain monolithic HP at over 2100 fps ( https://sofrep.com/gear/liberty-civil-defense-9mm-review/ ), so they're actually getting more ft/lbs of energy than 45 grains at 2200 would.

That would also give the ability to swap (with nothing more than changing magazines) to a very quiet subsonic load whenever you wanted.

Personally, the 100-grain corbon is as light a bullet as I want, but if you did want ultra-light ultra-fast stuff, there are factory loadings available that will be much more consistent than bullets with hand-drilled HP cavities.
 

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**** you, punk, you old assholes aint the only ones who read this. What works, works. If you dont like it YOU create new material. I dont owe anyone anything, least of all YOU aholes. garand asked for this info, so take your bitching to him.
Hopefully nobody gets injured or killed from your advice. If it were significantly more effective than other loads, it would be widely adopted as a commercial round. It’s not even a popular wildcat. There are reasons for this.

I give you kudos for trying and making something you think works.
 

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Fwiw, out of curiosity I checked out a video of the Liberty 50-grain from a camp-9 carbine. From the 16" barrel it averaged 2546 fps, for 720 ft/lbs. Pretty good for a factory load. The 9BPLE gets a little more energy, but at lower velocity because it's substantially heavier; plus it's at +P+ pressure which isn't always a good idea.

That 2546 fps is well into the threshold for getting rifle-style wounding performance.
 

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Melvin 99.9% of people that you encounter after a SHTF scenario, will not have body armor, so why the need to waste time. Example in the time it takes you to build 100 rds of ammo, I could build 1,000 .38 +P cartridges using simple cast lead bullets. Plus I still have rifle cartridges available that can defeat body armor, like a simple .30-06 could.
 

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Main reason I don't fixate too much on my defensive pistol ammo being able to defeat body armor is that I believe that in the very rare event we encounter a bad guy with armor, it would probably be rifle-rated armor.

There are certainly a lot of old handgun-rated vests out there (IIIA and below) from police use over the years, but for privately bought stuff, the fact is that rifle-rated armor is cheaper than handgun-rated stuff and has been for years now. My primary armor, I paid $281 for back in 2017, and can now be bought for under $200. That's the large 11x14 curved front & back plates, two 6x8 side plates, and carrier with molle webbing. Only times I wear it are during deer season and occasionally thru the year just to stay somewhat accustomed to it; just enough to keep able work with it on.

Point being, I figure that with rifle-rated armor being cheaper than handgun-rated armor, any bad guys who go to the trouble of buying armor are likely to have the rifle stuff, which even my 22TCM or 454Casull won't defeat. And if they won't defeat it, no handgun I own will.
 

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In Melvin's shtf scenario, everybody will be all over hill and dale because cities (rightly so) will be death traps. I see body armor just like webbing/lbv, people will wear it when getting ready to cross the start line, but will ditch it as soon as possible.
 

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To each his own, but hand-filing a metal rod to 0.001" tolerances for the making of bullets & then loading them into an uncommon case (and needing an uncommon-caliber barrel) seems like not only a lot of hassle, but also a lot of risk; tolerance-stacking, variance in drilled-out HP cavities or cut-line depths, etc.

Why not just use a factory load that comes close to the same thing? There are 9mm factory loadings at pretty much every point on the spectrum, from 158 grain down to 50 grains. The Liberty Civil Defense is a 50-grain monolithic HP at over 2100 fps ( Liberty Civil Defense 9mm | Further Review | SOFREP ), so they're actually getting more ft/lbs of energy than 45 grains at 2200 would.

That would also give the ability to swap (with nothing more than changing magazines) to a very quiet subsonic load whenever you wanted.

Personally, the 100-grain corbon is as light a bullet as I want, but if you did want ultra-light ultra-fast stuff, there are factory loadings available that will be much more consistent than bullets with hand-drilled HP cavities.
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cause factory loads dont even come close to what ths stuff can do, that's why. It's AP, for starters, recoils like a Makarov, hits harder than a 4" 357. It doesn't take much of a cut in the lathe, or with the dremel and a rotary cutter on an aluminum of copper rod in a spinning drill chuck. to cut 3/8" rod down to .358" or so then the file knocks off a couple of thou in a few seconds, then the crocus cloth backed up by the file for the final .001" of OD. 100 such bullets is a lifetime supply. takes one weekend to make. them, The "proven track record " of what's available, in 3" 9mm is nothing much. Suitable for chucks and *****, but that's all. Nobody loads a full power 90 gr jhp anymore. The feed lips on the little sig are VERY short. That rd very nearly can jump right out of the ejection port. when the slide cycles. The mag spring is VERY powerful, too. You're not going to get reliable expansion in flesh with an 1100 fps 115 gr jhp and that's all the velocity you'll ever get with a 3" barrel and such a long bullet. 320 ft lbs, 1/3rd of it wasted on overpenetration, vs 500 ft lbs, two wound tracks and Mach II' impact velocities ability to make the overlapping termporary gas cavities able to destroy vital organ tissue that the bullet never actually touches. The combo is quite devastating. It drives 40-50 lb animals into the ground and they are unable to get up again.
 

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How about some load data for these homemade bullets?
 
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