[Garand]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...v-defends-armed-couple-totally-within-rights/


Kudos to this couple for standing up for their rights. At the same time I was appalled watching their incompetent handling of their firearms. While I do not disagreed with their actions, when I see their lack of competence manipulating firearms I cringe. Shooting someone to defend your life is one thing, accidentally shooting someone because of piss poor firearm handling skills is another. One is defendable in a court of law, the other is not.

Waving a handgun around and pointing it at every rioter that pisses you off, itself can't be legal. If the gentleman carrying the AR the way he did, had a negligent discharge where do you think the round would have ended up?

 

[John in AR]

Gun handling was abysmal, but was probably as good as most people's is.

As I understand it, the crowd broke through a locked gate to enter that private property. That alone makes them criminals; ie, they had to commit a criminal act to even be there. But the media ignores that just as they won't admit it about those who illegally cross our nation's property line at the Rio Grande.

Short version, the act of entering private property by force made those people cease to be 'demonstrators', and instead made them 'aggravated trespassers'. No way around that media-ignored truth; and with there being supposedly ~300 in the crowd, to be UNarmed would be the height of insanity.

Very glad to see a politician saying something rational.

 

[Garand]

Gun handling was abysmal, but was probably as good as most people's is.

This, unfortunately is a very scary statement. Had something gone sideways, and not in their direction I doubt their life expectancy would have been listed in minutes.

 

[Dorobuta]

he appeared to have an 80's level of training, she appeared to have none.

I would have had everything at low ready, but I use a two-point sling, so it's pretty easy to do. I find pistol transitions to be faster and smoother with a two point.

Things could have gone sideways quick - I also would have stayed on the porch, being slightly elevated and making it a little hard for the crowd to move up on me.

I don't particularly care for single point slings. I always manage to smack my knee with a barrel when using one.:nuts:

 

[Terry G]

After eighteen years as a Federal Firearms Instructor I cringe at about 90% of gun handling I see, both rifle and pistol. Absolute right to arm yourself, especially in these times BUT, you need training. The gun is inanimate. It's going to do what you make it do. You have to learn. I've offered free training to Relatives and Friends that bought self defense guns. Some took me up on it, some didn't. With the gun shelves empty I'm worried about accidents more than anything else. Yesterday I saw a young Father bend to pick up his Daughter in a parking lot and have a revolver fall out of his pants to the pavement. Before I thought I said "Man, you need a holster!" He kind of snarled and said "I'm fine." OK

 

[John in AR]

he appeared to have an 80's level of training, she appeared to have none.

The 80's weren't near as cool as the 70's. The 80's was the time of parachute pants for men, leg warmers and shoulder pads for women, and valley-girl slang for, like, everyone. So we shouldn't expect much from the 80's. :nyah:

In the 70's we had leisure suits, 8-track tapes and CB radios. My first car was a bandaid-yellow Dodge Dart with a black vinyl top. (So come to think of it, we had bandaid-yellow cars with vinyl tops, too.)

We were so much cooler in the 70's...

 

[boati]

notice that the scumbags didnt want to find OUT? In 40+ years of being a life member of NRA, and reading the Armed citizen column every month, I can still count on my digits the number of times that real skill was displayed. yet the defenders still won. Only rarely do they kill all of the pos's but hey, it's still a good deal. I'd say that he had NO training and she was drunk.

 

[Garand]

notice that the scumbags didnt want to find OUT? In 40+ years of being a life member of NRA, and reading the Armed citizen column every month, I can still count on my digits the number of times that real skill was displayed. yet the defenders still won. Only rarely do they kill all of the pos's but hey, it's still a good deal. I'd say that he had NO training and she was drunk.

Wow! Scary thought.

 

[Dorobuta]

notice that the scumbags didnt want to find OUT? In 40+ years of being a life member of NRA, and reading the Armed citizen column every month, I can still count on my digits the number of times that real skill was displayed. yet the defenders still won. Only rarely do they kill all of the pos's but hey, it's still a good deal. I'd say that he had NO training and she was drunk.

he was using a hasty sling - something that was taught for quite a while in the 80's. I've always thought it was dumb. Thats why the modern two point and single point techniques are so much better, and allow for transitions to a pistol quite easily. They also allow you to have good muzzle discipline and not have to worry about flagging anyone or "brandishing" until it is time to go bang.

I think she was scared and had zero or very little training. Under stress we all fall back to our level of training.

This is where "we fight like we train and we train like we fight" comes from.

 

[BigEd]

True hasty slings can serve a limited purpose but the sling has to be adjusted properly beforehand. But my definition may be different. Either way using one in a situation like this is pure foolhardiness.
In fact no sling would be better with as little training and probably none in hand to hand as this couple probably has. Its getting literally tied to a weapon and that can be used against you. Especially in a mob of people.

 

[boati]

he was probably shaking so badly that ANYTHING that felt like a 'brace' was desirable. I had that happen in an assault course in Rhodesia. A 2m high barricade had to be vaulted, with no run at it, no step on it. As I went over it, it wobbled, and my wrists buckled. When I landed, I thought for sure that I'd left my nuts on the top of the barricade. I had to shoot a camoed torso or 2 (can't remember, it was 1977 at 10-15 yds, and then run on to some other torsos. I put a shoulder up against something, went to one knee, braced my arms over the other knee, , fired twice, started to run, couldn't see my hits, went BACK to the brace against the object (cant remember what it was) fired again. As I ran past it (45 degrees, at about 5m) I saw 3 well centered hits. I was still in second place, but That discombobulation cost me probably 4 seconds, and first place. I learned then, that beyond 20 ft, fire 3 shots, if 2 hits are required, just as insurance, and especially if breathing hard from running.

 

[Dorobuta]

True hasty slings can serve a limited purpose but the sling has to be adjusted properly beforehand. But my definition may be different. Either way using one in a situation like this is pure foolhardiness.
In fact no sling would be better with as little training and probably none in hand to hand as this couple probably has. Its getting literally tied to a weapon and that can be used against you. Especially in a mob of people.

Didn't mean to imply he was using it correctly, but it sure looked like I remember it being taught. (been a long time though).

The wife is the idiot that forced the situation. She had no business going out there like that. She also needs to learn trigger discipline and how not to point the gun until it's time to pull the trigger.