What are you, eh - Canadian? We ARE talking about violent attacks, here. The kind that come under the purview of justifiable use of deadly force. You've heard of a firearm training exercise called the, 'Tueller Drill' - eh? Guess what! Studies are currently under way to expand the justifiable shooting range to as much as 40 feet!!! If this is permissible behavior for LEO's, then, it's good for everyone else, too. The problem with the use of deadly force in a gunfight does NOT devolve from being too close; it arises from exactly the opposite concern - being too far away!223 fan said:shows that 65-75% of all attacks are not made with a gun, so at what range can you justify shooting them, eh? 10 ft or less, and that's measured from your chest to his. The muzzle of a shotgun is 3 ft closer to him.
How about an editorial reference: title, section, page #, and an exact quote. You seem to be badly confused. What does, 'COPS' have to do with anything?223 fan said:‘Every year, the FBI'S Uniform Crime Report says that over half of the GUN fights occur at 10 ft or less, and that's with COPS.
This drivel is, nothing more than, one long badly confused non-sequitur. What crap! It's not worthy of a reply. Hell, on second thought, it's not even worthy of posting on a serious weapons board! I've got to know: Do you, also, belong to PETA?223 fan said:Cops tend to have longer range engagements than civilians can justify, and that skews the average range to be longer for cops than it is for civilians. So, 70+% of the time, it's at 10ft or less, because the attacker has no gun, and over half of the remainder of the time, it's at 10 ft because that's how crime goes down, for civilians. So, nearly 90% of the time, it's at 10 ft or less. Few homes have rooms that are more than 20 ft square, and few attacks are from one corner to another. So the odds are at least 6 to 1 that you will (if justifiable in Court) fire at less than 10 ft, and the odds are about 20 to 1 that you will fire at less than 20ft.
No, I don't know who this person is, and really don't care. I was about ready to close down this site anyway and use the vBulletin license for something else. You can all either use it or not, and use it however you want. Makes absolutely no difference to me at all.It has occurred to me that it's possible that you're just an imaginary person that this board has cooked up to promote lively discussions on different subjects, but no, ignorance like yours is too hard to fake.