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shotgun's muzzle, and that means that the pattern is but 1-2" wide. In other words, you might as well as have had a rifle, cause you sure still have to aim the shotgun like a rifle, or you will miss.
 

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sure. Dept of Justice annual Crime Survey

shows that 65-75% of all attacks are not made with a gun, so at what range can you justify shooting them, eh? 10 ft or less, and that's measured from your chest to his. The muzzle of a shotgun is 3 ft closer to him.

'Every year, the FBI'S Uniform Crime Report says that over half of the GUN fights occur at 10 ft or less, and that's with COPS. Cops tend to have longer range engagements than civilians can justify, and that skews the average range to be longer for cops than it is for civilians. So, 70+% of the time, it's at 10ft or less, because the attacker has no gun, and over half of the remainder of the time, it's at 10 ft because that's how crime goes down, for civilians. So, nearly 90% of the time, it's at 10 ft or less. Few homes have rooms that are more than 20 ft square, and few attacks are from one corner to another. So the odds are at least 6 to 1 that you will (if justifiable in Court) fire at less than 10 ft, and the odds are about 20 to 1 that you will fire at less than 20ft.
 

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I MET Dennis Tueller, at the 1978 Nat'ls

in S CAl, where were you? Regardless of what bs you want to spread around, the fact remains that the ranges are what I said, and so are the % of probability of firing at such ranges. The Tueller drill was about having to DRAW and fire, not about firing a shotgun that you already have pointed at the man. It takes nearly everyone 3 seconds to cover 30 ft, from a standing start, and for sure it will take them that long to cover 40 ft. If you are THAT slow, I suggest that you just hire a bodyguard, cause such klutzes have no business with a gun.
 

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u dont KNOW enough to debate with

me, is what you MEAN. Hey dummy, how is a "sniper" going to take a long range shot at you in your HOUSE, dummy? What good is your silly shotgun and buckshot. against a rifle, anyway, hmm? YOu will never SEE the sniper, even if he DOES miss you. He will simply disappear if he doesn't get you on the first shot.

The statistics I quoted are accurate. I've been attacked a dozen times, and WOULD have been attacked a dozen more, had it not been OBVIOUS that the attackers(usually there were more than one) were going to get hurt a LOT more than they were willing to risk. Quite a few of those attacks were by dogs. I used to be an attack dog handler. I made black belt in 1973, where were you?

It's too bad you guys are such weenies, but that's the way nearly everyone turns out any more.
 

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I can easily use my anonymizer program

and "be" 20 people on the same site, and make you think that you actually KNOW something, before I show that you don't know much of anything. :)
 
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