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The top is my German, The center is my Bulgarian that my son bought me for my best man's gift, and the bottom is a Russian IJ-70. They shoot better than many high priced pistols that I own. Get one before they dry up.
 

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Terry G said:
Get one before they dry up.
I'll be looking out for those this weekend.

As for why I grabbed your quote?It struck me as kinda funny.I "left" this hobby in '95.At the time Makarovs had just been imported for a short while.IIRC the first factory(non-surplus)ammo was just coming to market.

And now they might be dis-appearing.Wierd.
 

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This is an East German with Chinese grips that has the thumbrest and the lanyard loop. This pistol was in mint condition when it was bought for $95. The trigger has been worked and it's as smooth as glass. This gun was supposedly one of the weapons surplused from the STASI (E. German KGB) arsenal and the condition and work on the internals indicate that. This pistol has survived some incredible abuse, has never jammed, and is extremely accurate.



The E. Germans originally set up the Chinese in Makarov tooling, not the Russians, so the Chinese and the German Makarovs are very similar.

The Russian military is phasing out the Makarov and teh 9x18mm cartridge to standardize on 9x19mmNATO, so there might be a huge supply of Makarovs to hit the market. However, the Russians have been known to keep an entire previous generation of weapons in reserve for half a century.

The new Russian pistol is a huge 17 shot thing, borrowing heavily in design from the DA Hi-Power that has been beefed up to take the new Russian 9x19mm load. The new Russian military 9x19mm load is very hot and has a steel penetrator designed to penetrate modern body armor.
 

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DROOL. Now I want another MAK. :D

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DROOL, Now I want some of that new Russian ammo. . .:dgrin:
 

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What kind of handgun do you have in mind that would not be damaged by that hot Russian ammo? Rostov said that the new pistol is a huge monster based on the Hi-Power but beefed up a bunch.

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What kind of handgun do you have in mind that would not be damaged by that hot Russian ammo? Rostov said that the new pistol is a huge monster based on the Hi-Power but beefed up a bunch.

RIKA
Why a Glock, Erika, what else!
 

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and it doesn't have ENOUGH more power than a .22 to MATTER any, and a $250 Smith .2214 is pocketable, at 18 ozs, and 6" long, and it has great sights and trigger pull, groups 2" at 25m. Since the Mak is nothing more than a plinker-BLUFF, why pay 5x as much for the practice ammo? the mak is more like 6.7" long, 26 ozs, way too much for speed from front pants pocket rig. A Firestar Plus is shorter, and lighter as well. So why settle for the Mak's pathetic 220 ft lbs of "power", hmm? The Kahr PM9 9mm is 6", and 15ozs. THAT'S pocketable, being .3" shorter than a .38 snub j frame, and 4 ozs lighter as well.
 

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Raider said:
What kind of handgun do you have in mind that would not be damaged by that hot Russian ammo? Rostov said that the new pistol is a huge monster based on the Hi-Power but beefed up a bunch.

RIKA
I don't consider Hi-Powers, even beefed up ones huge.
Sine I'm used to carrying full-sized pistols, including Gavernment models, Ruger P-90s, GP-100, S&W N=frames, I've got a lot of options open.
 

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It's a large, full sized pistol. It's called the Grach, which means 'Rook' in Russian. It's not exactly a direct Hi-Power clone. The basic design of it's mechanism is a heavily modified DA Hi-Power.
 

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Nothing wrong with that, especially in the military open-carry role.
 

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andy said:
and it doesn't have ENOUGH more power than a .22 to MATTER any, and a $250 Smith .2214 is pocketable, at 18 ozs, and 6" long, and it has great sights and trigger pull, groups 2" at 25m. Since the Mak is nothing more than a plinker-BLUFF, why pay 5x as much for the practice ammo? the mak is more like 6.7" long, 26 ozs, way too much for speed from front pants pocket rig. A Firestar Plus is shorter, and lighter as well. So why settle for the Mak's pathetic 220 ft lbs of "power", hmm? The Kahr PM9 9mm is 6", and 15ozs. THAT'S pocketable, being .3" shorter than a .38 snub j frame, and 4 ozs lighter as well.
You don't know what your talking about. The 9x 18MM Makarov is a winner. Shut up. You can't play with the grown ups.
 

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So did they with Soviet tradition on this one and rip off the design from maybe the CZ-75 and make enough changes so no one wold notice??? :eek3:

Anyone have a pic of the Grach? :confused:
 

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Dang!That thing looks just about like an AA2000!
 

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So let my get this right, they took a good solid design and beefed it up even more to handle +p+ type loads.

Guess they must have never heard of a Star BM.~>;-)
 
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