[Rich Z]

Todays pop quiz is for you to name this gun:

 

[CAV]

Looks like a FAL variant.

 

[J. David]

Offhand, I'd have to say SIG. Can't remember which model designation, but SIG. haha

 

[Rich Z]

In the old Pistolero magazine when they did a writeup on assault rifles, they called this one "the creme de la creme" of the assault rifles.

He he.... I have two of them.....:beer:

 

[CAV]

Rich,

I'm dying here, so what is that??

 

[WebSlave]

Darn, I thought it would be easy!

It's a Sig AMT. Made in Switzerland. Shoots the 7.62 NATO round. Excellent piece of hardware!

 

[Ken Chiarella]

Rich,
I have one. What's this?

 

[Guest]

looks like a long obsolete bolt action

to me.

 

[Guest]

The Sig rifles are even worse over-

priced clunkers than their pistols are.

 

[Rich Z]

You have obviously never handled nor fired a Sig AMT, then. IMHO.

 

[Guest]

oh but I have. Have YOU, however, tried

to conceal one, or sound suppress one, or use it one handed, or tried to quietly forage with it, or quietly remove a guard dog or a sentry with it? Have you ever humped it and several hundred rounds, in mags, along with 35-40 lbs of other survival gear, 20 miles a day, for say, a week or more, in rough terrain? You'd find out a lot of things that mean more than most people realize are even factors, much less important.

 

[Rich Z]

Nope never done that, but they sure look purty in my vault...

 

[Guest]

I reserve that word for women.

 

[Rich Z]

Hell, maybe it's just me, but if I see a picture of a gun being held by a beautiful woman, I see the gun first THEN the woman.... :laugh:

 

[Guest]

depends on the gun, and the woman

for me, and more importantly, on her smile and clothing (or lack thereof.

 

[CAV]

oh but I have. Have YOU, however, tried to conceal one, or sound suppress one, or use it one handed, or tried to quietly forage with it, or quietly remove a guard dog or a sentry with it? Have you ever humped it and several hundred rounds, in mags, along with 35-40 lbs of other survival gear, 20 miles a day, for say, a week or more, in rough terrain?

Yeah, yeah.....Been there, done that (and so has anyone else that has ever served in the ground side of the military).

Your point is moot. Professional forces engaged in any of the tasks you mentioned wouldn’t use that particular gun. It was designed for a completely different mission. Military and para-military forces carrying a variety of arms for a reason; to deal with a variety of threats, in a variety of environments. Would you use a handgun for a long-range offensive attack? No. Would you use a shotgun as a sniper weapon? No. Would you use a tank for a static pillbox? No.

You got to have the right tool for the right job.......

 

[Guest]

that's bs, and you know it. Almost

none of the military have ever used a sound suppressor, or bothered with trying to conceal a rifle. What the military has to do, and the way that they do it,is almost completely irrelevant to what the civilian might have to do, and they way he will have to do it. If you are in the military, you wont' have the OPTION of any rifle but an M16. So if you ARE talking about other rifles, rds, etc, you ARE talking about civilian use.

 

[CAV]

BS? You're obviously the expert, so.....

I'll freely admit that I am wrong and you are right when you can successfully justify to me why any "civilian" would have to:

1) "conceal a rifle"
2) "sound suppress one"
3) "humped it and several hundred rounds"
4) "quietly remove a guard dog or a sentry"
5) carry "(several hundreds of rounds) in mags, 20 miles a day, for a week or more, in rough terrain"

You can't! There will never be a situation in which you, John Q. Public will ever need to do any of these activities. As a matter of fact, just about every single one of these "tactical actions" is blatantly illegal and you know it.

The military only has the option of carrying a M-16? Really? I guess the dozen other weapons that I’ve used and qualified with are figments of my overactive military imagination! Wow, think of all of that time and money the government must have wasted on training me!

I'll give you the one-handed shoot argument, but that would apply to any firearm. It is a skill that must be learned, practiced, and developed in order to build proficiency. If you carry *legally* you had better know how to operate and fire your weapon with one hand.

I'm not going to start a pissing match with you, but make sure that your arguments are valid, factual, informed, and necessary before posting them in a public forum....Just my .02

 

[Guest]

IGNORANT, aint ya? Suppresors r legal

in most states, if you jump thru the hoops. In fact, you can even have them in states where they are technically forbidden, if you are a cop, or if you are a Class 3 dealer. Concealment of a rifle is a real good idea, to prevent upsetting the neighbors, to prevent alerting theives that you have such items, to keep cops off of your ass when riding a bike, motorcycle, ATV, in a boat, etc. If you are ever confronted with a riot or a big storm, quake, etc, you can EASILY (AND LEGALLY) need to hump a fighting rifle and ammo for many miles. I've had to silence quite a few dogs, in my day, too. Sometimes it's not his NOISE that's the issue, it's his dangerous attacks. Just because a neighbor LOVES a pos dog doesn't mean that shooting him isnt the right thing to do. Of course, a "meatball" full of busted glass suffices ok, too.

The discussion was about RIFLES. what other RIFLES does the military issue, hmm? a FEW hundred 308's, world wide, maybe. YOU didn't get issued any such, that's a 100 to 1 good bet.

 

[Aslan]

Re: IGNORANT, aint ya? Suppresors r legal

in most states, if you jump thru the hoops. In fact, you can even have them in states where they are technically forbidden, if you are a cop, or if you are a Class 3 dealer. Concealment of a rifle is a real good idea, to prevent upsetting the neighbors, to prevent alerting theives that you have such items, to keep cops off of your ass when riding a bike, motorcycle, ATV, in a boat, etc. If you are ever confronted with a riot or a big storm, quake, etc, you can EASILY (AND LEGALLY) need to hump a fighting rifle and ammo for many miles. I've had to silence quite a few dogs, in my day, too. Sometimes it's not his NOISE that's the issue, it's his dangerous attacks. Just because a neighbor LOVES a pos dog doesn't mean that shooting him isnt the right thing to do. Of course, a "meatball" full of busted glass suffices ok, too.

The discussion was about RIFLES. what other RIFLES does the military issue, hmm? a FEW hundred 308's, world wide, maybe. YOU didn't get issued any such, that's a 100 to 1 good bet.

A few things you need to understand about this expert:

1) he's banned from legally owning a firearm
2) anything other than his 11" CAR with a suppressor and a .22 conversion unit is worthless
3) he plans to kill anyone and everyone for their supplies should SHTF.
4) he is an expert on and about everything.
5) If you disagree with him, he will insult and or threaten you.
6) his standard defense is some stpud bet with stupid conditions.
7) denys or ignores facts
8) few if any of his claims can be verified
9) he doesn't think that .308 has see much combat use., and that it was never widely used by any armies (FN-FAL, M14 come to mind)

well, you get the picture.

BTW, I've enjoyed reading what you've posted so far and hats off to you for your service to your country!