of a good auto rifle, beyond about 15m, even if the auto rifle user hasn't practiced with it much at all. When it's for BLOOD, there is just WAY too much degradation of handgun ability to make the thing even halfway viable at longer ranges, when being SHOT at. Yes, there's been some LUCKY exceptions, so what? Guys have fallen out of planes and landed in mud, snow, cushy branches of trees, etc, and survived, but we all KNOW that such things were luck. well, so is winning at 15m plus, with a ccw pistol vs autorifles.