in rapidfire at 10 ft and less, on 10" circle, Weaver. Either one will average under .20 sec splits. Contrary to know- nothing's claims about how "horrific" the recoil is with a 55 gr bullet at 2200 fps. Yes, it's stout, but it's not enough worse to matter any, with a good man in a good 2 handed firing stance. It's still FAR more control than 90% of you can show with .45 ball in a regular 1911.