[andy]

second, at arm's length, and hand discretely on gun. You can usually remove the .20-.25 second reaction time from such a draw, too, cause you'll be TOLD to take your hand out of your pocket. So, the attacker will have at most .40 second to NOTICE what's in your hand, decide what to do about it, react, and fire. Won't happen, especially if he's EXPECTING to see SOMETHING in your hand and the time he has to react is AFTER your hand emerges, and he EXPECTS you to "hand it over". From the time your gun clears the pocket, until you can thrust it foward, lock your wrist up against your pec and fire is like .20 second(for a reliable hit at arm's length, on the chest). Given the typical clown's need of 1.2 seconds to react, make a ccw belt draw (likely fumbling either the ccw garment or getting a poor grip on the gun) the .20-.60 second of the pocket draw is going to be a great advantage, time in which to BRAIN the gun at least once. No, you CAN'T discretely have your hand on a belt or shoulder rig's gun. Everyone knows what that "move" or stance means. It means that they should shoot you instantly, and they will too, most likely.

 

[polesmoker]

Bull, you make a sudden move like that when the police or .mil have ordered you to take your hand out of your pocket and they will shoot you much faster than your claimed draw and fire time.

They will have their guns drawn and trained on you.

Do you think for a second we let anyone get close to us with their hands in their pockets or otherwise underneath clothing and not have them staring down the barrel of weapons?

 

[DJetAce]

Really it's a pretty worthless skill for gunkid. Either he will be blathering to the cop, losing his train of thought (with his attention deficient disorder) or he will just fall on his knees begging the cop not to hurt him. Either way, any quickdraw skill he has is useless.

 

[polesmoker]

It's certain that I've held many more people at gunpoint than johnny ever has and if they ever made a sudden move after being ordered to get their hands out of their pockets they'd be shot for it.

For about 120 years, accepted figures for mean simple reaction times to light stimuli have been about 190 ms (0.19 sec). That's a full .4 seconds to squeeze the trigger

 

[DJetAce]

.6 minus .4 leaves gunkid a .2. Sounds like DOA for gunkid.

 

[Garand]

Again he would be responsible for his own failures leading to his death. Much like his failures in life.