because pistols suffice for that, and you NEED the field expercience with ccw pistol and load. So don't waste field time on a rifle. Who CAN'T get within easy rifle range, and who can't get the hits with rifle? that's kid stuff. Getting within 20m and getting the hits with a pocket pistol, that takes a LOT more "doing".
no reason to BOTHER with longarm for sport
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Seems like someone here DOES need more practice with a rifle. That is, if he wants to be able to use it beyond pistol range. Also, go out and get some fieldcraft skills, you'll learn that most of the "problems" people have carrying "long" (some people think a 22" barrel is long) rifles in the woods, is their lack of fieldcraft, i.e. it's a bad rifleman, not a bad rifle.
I no longer hunt, since before leaving the Navy, however one reason I do remember for using a long gun, is that most pistol calibers will not humanely anchor the prey. I used to hunt, and was sure the kill was either eaten by myself or family or provided to others for same. To use most pistol caliber rounds for hunting, to me, invites less than a clean kill, game suffering and sometimes a lengthy, unplanned-for hike following a blood trail. These were the days, tho, when the only real hand cannon was called a "blooper".
Solo mi dos centavos!
SatCong
Solo mi dos centavos!
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JD, put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer............Folks, you are now in the Twilight Zone.
Teuf,
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I guess I shouldn't be all that suprised about his rifle training theory, it's the same training system he uses for most of his survival tecniques.
Teuf,
Teuf,
If all you have is a pos CAR for a rifle, I would use a pistol to hunt!
A carry gun just would risk to many game animals getting away wounded, not to mention you would have to pass up an awful lot of shots. It would be like bow hunting (which I do.) I hunt with a bow because it teaches me hunting skills. BUT, I hunt with a rifle when I am serious about getting game.
A carry gun just would risk to many game animals getting away wounded, not to mention you would have to pass up an awful lot of shots. It would be like bow hunting (which I do.) I hunt with a bow because it teaches me hunting skills. BUT, I hunt with a rifle when I am serious about getting game.
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Sounds like the thought of skilled riflemen scares you.
field time with any weapon is never wasted. If you aren’t using a rifle in the field, you aren’t going to be making hits with a rifle. We fight like we train. If you aren’t training with a rifle - and hunting is a form of training, you aren’t hitting with a rifle.
your advice in this matter, is bad. You should stick with what you know, and it’s clear that rifles are outside of your lane.
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Hunting or fighting calls for a rifle. To think a "pocket pistol" will suffice for Whitetail Deer shows Melvin was off/on his meds nearly twenty years ago and hasn't improved since. I would love to see a video of Melvin trying to get within 20 yards of a Whitetail. Wouldn't the wonderful 10 inch CAR that he doesn't own be better/
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True.
There's also no real reason to "bother" with surfboards or golf clubs, either; no reason to snorkel in the ocean, no reason to bother with musical targets, etc. There's no objective reason for a lot of things other than personal enjoyment.
If you'd be honest, based on your nearly 70 years on this earth, there's no real 'reason' for you to bother with post-shtf shelter material testing, either. It's something you've NEVER needed, yet you claim to spend a whole lot of time "bothering" with it. Similarly, there's no real 'reason' to bother with home-made silencers for sentry-removal purposes; in your entire life, you've never actually needed one, have you? So why "bother" with something you've never had a real "reason" to need...?
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Sometimes you just have to feel sorry for a mind that is wasted.
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read this and all I could think of was Young Frankenstein:
Abbey something…Abbey Normal
you mean I put an abnormal brain in this body?
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Think about the first half of that sentence for five seconds. There's no NEED for sporting use of pistols either. That's undeniably true.
As far as the second half of the sentence, are you saying that you truly believe you don't need experience with your rifle to be good with it? That's demonstrably false.
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Anyone that doesn't practice with a rifle will fail more than they succeed. Do you know how to dope the wind? how about deal with bullet drop? do you know how to aim your rifle?
what is easy rifle range? 100 yards? 200 yards? 400 yards? 1,000 yards? The answer is very much skills based. Skills come from practice and experience. Most big game (and a lot of small game) kills have been 100 yard plus shots.
this was a 100 yard heart shot:
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I wonder if he knows the close up zero distance 25yds* and the Maximum Point Blank Range of a 10.5" AR firing M193 is?
Or what MPBR actually is.
*-I maybe coming off as real old school or whatever but most ranges I have access to are marked in yards and not meters.
Okay I'll spoil my own fun.
With most ammunition loaded to full 5.56 specs it's been my experience that out of a 1-7" twist 10.5" zeroing at 25yds will give torso, or head shots if held steady enough, out to 100yds
Or what MPBR actually is.
*-I maybe coming off as real old school or whatever but most ranges I have access to are marked in yards and not meters.
Okay I'll spoil my own fun.
With most ammunition loaded to full 5.56 specs it's been my experience that out of a 1-7" twist 10.5" zeroing at 25yds will give torso, or head shots if held steady enough, out to 100yds
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